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Gadhafis Crime: Making Libyas Economy Work for Libyans

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For decades, many European companies had enjoyed deals that granted them half of the high-quality oil produced in Libyan fields. Some major oil companies hoped the country would open further to investment after sanctions from Washington were lifted in 2004, and U.S. giants re-entered the North African nation.

But in the years that followed, the Gadhafi regime renegotiated the companies share of oil from each field to as low as 12%, from about 50%.

Just after the fall of the regime, several foreign oil companies expressed hopes of better terms on existing deals or attractive ones for future contracts....
Oil companies were also frustrated that Libyas state-owned oil company stipulated that foreign companies had to hire Libyans for top jobs.

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Zeke, it seems that argument you present shifts rather easily.... with the single unifying theme of nefarious and conspiritorial US foreign policy.

I am not denying there are innumerable illustrative instances. But I do think that this point loses credibility when it is carelessly applied with essentially no evidence other than ... ...what else could it be?

And Zeke, for what it is worth, I have found that people are much more willing to make bets when there is no chance they will have to pay off. Like, I bet this stock is going to go up, or I bet the whole world economy is going to crash into ashes.


It is apparent that you don't bet LOL

Shift from what to what? I never said I was privy to any special information. I am making the case for U.S. involvement. Period. I was not part of the decision process LOL
Since you don't think it is correct I suggest you make the contrary case and I'll be happy to acknowledge whatever information you have. Actually, I'd make a bet wink


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Since you don't think it is correct, I suggest you make the contrary case, and I'll be happy to acknowledge whatever information you have. Actually, I'd make a bet wink

You're going for a reductio ad absurdum, eh, Ezekiel ? grin

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It is apparent that you don't bet LOL



Good, we have found something that you are sure about, and you are in betting frame of mind.

We can work out the details of the wager via PM. Perhaps the loser will donate to the winner's charity of choice.


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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel


It is apparent that you don't bet LOL


Originally Posted By: Ardy

Good, we have found something that you are sure about, and you are in betting frame of mind.


Originally Posted By: Ezekiel

Your on.


So
Just to review
Zeke said that it is "apparent that I do not bet"

I suggested a bet on this issue

Zeke said "Your On"

I have proposed reasonable terms for the bet
the bet would be adjudicated by a neutral third party
and said that I would provide sufficient proof

I have tried to handle this by PM

Zeke now prefers not to bet....
because, like I said in the beginning
people love to "bet" on things
as long as they cannot lose any money

Zeke figured out that he could lose money
and decided that is must be a ridiculous bet
... of course he did not think it was so ridiculous
when no money was riding on what he said.

BTW,
I did try via PM to get zeke to retract his initial stament about me. Since he has refused, I have made this public positn of the affair.


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Would that be the "unintended consequences of shooting one's mouth off", as they say out in the territories?


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To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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Originally Posted By: Ardy
Originally Posted By: Ezekiel


It is apparent that you don't bet LOL


Originally Posted By: Ardy

Good, we have found something that you are sure about, and you are in betting frame of mind.


Originally Posted By: Ezekiel

Your on.


So
Just to review
Zeke said that it is "apparent that I do not bet"

I suggested a bet on this issue

Zeke said "Your On"

I have proposed reasonable terms for the bet
the bet would be adjudicated by a neutral third party
and said that I would provide sufficient proof

I have tried to handle this by PM

Zeke now prefers not to bet....
because, like I said in the beginning
people love to "bet" on things
as long as they cannot lose any money

Zeke figured out that he could lose money
and decided that is must be a ridiculous bet
... of course he did not think it was so ridiculous
when no money was riding on what he said.

BTW,
I did try via PM to get zeke to retract his initial stament about me. Since he has refused, I have made this public positn of the affair.







Ardy, you have raised stupidity to an art form!
I congratulate you ThumbsUp
It must have been very hard to do.


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Would that be the "unintended consequences of shooting one's mouth off", as they say out in the territories?

No Loggy, that I leave to you. LOL


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Ardy, you have raised stupidity to an art form!
I congratulate you ThumbsUp
It must have been very hard to do.


I'm wondering, Mr. Ezekiel, what your personal attack on a fellow Ranter has added to the conversation.


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