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The current situation in Iraq is the direct result of George Bush, his administration, the neo-conservative propaganda machine devoted to carrying out a Wilsonian policy of making "the world safe for democracy" using the blood of American GIs and the wealth of an indentured citizenry conned into allowing them to attack, occupy, and engage in nation-building in an Iraq that was no threat to America. It was this same administration that set the date and signed the agreement with the Iraqi government for US withdrawal. Barack Obama may be as useless and as nasty a political cog as his predecessors, but he is not the guilty party relative to Iraq and its current inevitable descent (re-descent) into chaos. All else is rationalization and excuse making.

Bow Great post. The Wingers have taken to re-write history again (surprise!) and the current situation in Fallujah is because of that Marxist Kenyan.


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It were a post on the gretawire by one of our fellow travelers... how do you say meow in Greek - miou?


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Originally Posted By: logtroll
It were a post on the gretawire by one of our fellow travelers... how do you say meow in Greek - miou?

idea Ahhh...great mind that one. smile


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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Here, kitty, kitty, kitty...
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The current situation in Iraq is the direct result of George Bush, his administration, the neo-conservative propaganda machine devoted to carrying out a Wilsonian policy of making "the world safe for democracy" using the blood of American GIs and the wealth of an indentured citizenry conned into allowing them to attack, occupy, and engage in nation-building .


It seems the author is confused about some of the history

The ideologues of the bush adm were as opposed to nation building as he appears to be. They initially scuttled state dept plans along that line. And instead operated on the conservative principle of emergent order. The idea was that once the bonds of statist oppression were removed, a natural democratic order would emerge.

If is a very similar idea to that proposed by the tea party and proponents of Austrian economics. The guiding hand of free men and free markets blossom forth If you just eliminate most structures of statism

It was only after this approach failed that nation building was attempted


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It is amazing to me the level of insanity prevalent on the internet.


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It is amazing to me the level of insanity prevalent on the internet.

i suspect this is a well used response and therefore suggest you attach the numberal 1 to it and call it response #1 ... in the future you will save some time and simply respond

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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
It is amazing to me the level of insanity prevalent on the internet.

Hey! I would never have known about said alleged beheadings if the Wingnuts had not made such a big issue of it this past Friday. They were quite worked-up over it - all frothy and foamy spittin' mad. LOL

...but the fact remains, this is the reality of politics in 2014. Hmm


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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
It is amazing to me the level of insanity prevalent on the internet.


I suspect that the insanity preceded the internet. The internet does effectively spead the insaniy, but it also makes a matter of public record.


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Originally Posted By: Ardy


It seems the author is confused about some of the history

The ideologues of the bush adm were as opposed to nation building as he appears to be.


Casual attention to detail can oft lead one astray, Ardy. Note that I wrote:
"The current situation in Iraq is the direct result of George Bush, his administration, the neo-conservative propaganda machine devoted to carrying out a Wilsonian policy of making "the world safe for democracy" using the blood of American GIs and the wealth of an indentured citizenry conned into allowing them to attack, occupy, and engage in nation-building in an Iraq that was no threat to America."

Note to whom Wilsonian policy was attached to and note who it was that I wrote had been conned into allowing "nation-building" -- hint, the American citizenry.

Now, if you wish to deny that we began engaging in attempted "nation-building" in Iraq, go ahead. Nothing I could say would change the mind of anyone thinking we did not. coffee

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, Ardy. Note that I wrote:
"The current situation in Iraq is the direct result of George Bush, his administration, [b][i]the neo-conservative propaganda machine devoted to carrying out a Wilsonian policy of making "the world safe for democracy" using the blood of American GIs and the wealth of an indentured citizenry conned into allowing them to attack, occupy, and engage in nation-building in an Iraq that was no threat to America."


The discussion seems a bit off topic, but then there was not much to the topic to begin with

That said, the so called "neo-conservative propaganda machine" did not sell the invasion of Iraq as an exercise in nation building, nor as a means to make the world safe for democracy. The war was clearly promoted on exactly the grounds that you deny-- that Iraq presented a threat to our nation because of WMD and the regime's supposed involvement involvement with terrorism.

You may feel that the above presentation by the Bush administration was a conscious lie so that they could pursue their "Wilsonian Policy." However that is nothing other than your speculation.

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Innumerable commentators have made comparisons between President Woodrow Wilsons internationalism and his alleged missionary zeal with the ideas of the neoconservatives now so influential in the Bush Administration. But any analogies are essentially inaccurate and they all ignore the crucial historical context.
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I question many decisions of the Bush administration, but have never read anything that come close to confirming that Bush decided to invade Iraq to make the world safe for democracy. And, in fact, the ideas that he presented in his campaign were quite the opposite of this view.

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Foreign Affairs: Bush promised a humble foreign policy with no nation building. He had criticized the Clinton-Gore Administration for being too interventionist: "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road. And I'm going to prevent that."[1]
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