Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
Current Topics
What's for dinner?
by Ken Condon - 12/05/21 03:18 AM
Winning
by perotista - 12/05/21 01:32 AM
lying on the internet
by jgw - 12/04/21 11:30 PM
RoundTable For Fall 2021
by pdx rick - 12/04/21 11:08 PM
... doubt is our product...
by TatumAH - 12/04/21 08:13 PM
Beautiful, beautiful language...
by logtroll - 12/04/21 05:19 PM
A Musical Quiz
by Ken Condon - 12/04/21 03:46 AM
Denialism
by Greger - 12/03/21 03:37 PM
Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century?
by pondering_it_all - 12/01/21 08:51 PM
I’ll Buy That
by Greger - 12/01/21 07:22 PM
Boundaries for Facebook
by jgw - 11/30/21 06:26 PM
Pacific Northwest Weather
by pdx rick - 11/28/21 08:59 PM
A Fungus Amungus
by logtroll - 11/28/21 01:25 PM
Republicans promise brutal revenge in 2022
by pdx rick - 11/27/21 08:45 PM
masks and vaccinations
by logtroll - 11/27/21 01:36 PM
Vigilantism - why isn’t it illegal?
by logtroll - 11/25/21 11:46 PM
"Mom, I think it's a boy."
by TatumAH - 11/25/21 04:37 AM
Popular Topics(Views)
9,689,222 my own book page
4,786,216 We shall overcome
3,876,156 Campaign 2016
3,532,667 Trump's Trumpet
2,796,933 3 word story game
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 44,695
Likes: 46
Member
CHB-OG
OP Offline
Member
CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 44,695
Likes: 46


Minneapolis City Council members are coming out to voice their intent to disband the police department, according to The Appeal.

Quote:
Since Floyds killing and the protests that ensued, officials in Los Angeles and New York City have called for making deep cuts to swollen police budgets and reallocating those funds for education, affordable housing, and other social services. Law enforcement officers are not equipped to be experts in responding to mental health crises, often leading to tragic resultsnationally, about half of police killings involve someone living with mental illness or disability. As a result, public health experts have long advocated for dispatching medical professionals and/or social workers, not armed police, to respond to calls related to substance use and mental health. Polling from Data for Progress indicates that more than two-thirds of voters68 percentsupport the creation of such programs, versions of which are already in place in other cities such as, Eugene, Oregon; Austin, Texas; and Denver, Colorado.


So...how would this overhaul work? Hmm


Contrarian, extraordinaire


Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 12
member
Offline
member
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 12
I'm not sure what to make of this, if anything. According to the article, the MPD has a very poor record. So maybe they need either an upgrade or to tear the MPD down and start over from scratch.

Either way, I can't see a city functioning without a police department. There's probably much more to this than what's in the article. Minneapolis is a good place as any to let the experiment begin.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 18,589
Likes: 45
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 18,589
Likes: 45
I just saw a headline that the crowd booed the mayor because he said he wouldn't abolish the PD.

City council can sure as feck take 'em to task though.

I'd suggest they go non-union. Looks like police unions are racist republican strongholds.


Good coffee, good weed, and time on my hands...
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,672
member
Offline
member
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,672
I'm generally a pro-union kind of gal, but it sure seems like there's something rotten going on with the union and the whole system. Chauvin had been investigated 17 times and disciplined only once. That suggests weak enforcement of rules and a strong union that makes enforcement more difficult. Maybe instead of disbanding the force, they should require every police department employee to reapply for his/her job. Surely officers with records like Chauvin's wouldn't be attractive candidates. Plus they might be able to skate by the union with the old, "We didn't fire them; we just didn't rehire them."


Just a Missouri school teacher ... stubborn as a mule and addicted to logic.
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 18,589
Likes: 45
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 18,589
Likes: 45
While unions have accomplished a lot of good things, a system like that breeds corruption.

Everything union members have fought for over the years should have long since been legislated.

Fair wages, overtime, workplace safety, insurance, training.


Good coffee, good weed, and time on my hands...
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 12
member
Offline
member
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 12
I tend to agree with both of you. Unions have become very powerful where it is almost impossible to fire anyone. To eliminate the chafe from the wheat so to speak. The same applies in Civil Service. There has been more than a few times where I saw someone promoted to a position with little to no responsibility just to get them out of their current job which required some leadership.

I'd say in cases like that, the unions have way too much power. I believe it is possible that the police union in Minneapolis had way too much power over such things as firing and discipline matters. Like all good things, too much actually may be a bad thing.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 44,695
Likes: 46
Member
CHB-OG
OP Offline
Member
CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 44,695
Likes: 46
Originally Posted By: perotista
...There has been more than a few times where I saw someone promoted to a position with little to no responsibility just to get them out of their current job which required some leadership.
It's called the Peter Principle aka White Privilege. People of color would have been fired. coffee


Contrarian, extraordinaire


Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 12
member
Offline
member
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 12
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: perotista
...There has been more than a few times where I saw someone promoted to a position with little to no responsibility just to get them out of their current job which required some leadership.
It's called the Peter Principle aka White Privilege. People of color would have been fired. coffee


It was equal opportunity. That translates in to two males and two females which were two blacks and two whites. Although in 26 years, that probably isn't too bad an average for incompetence leading to promotions.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,488
Likes: 71
veteran
Offline
veteran
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,488
Likes: 71
Actually, there are some fields where a technical person may not be very good at the demanding tasks of the hands-on job, but do fine as a manager. People skills may not equate to technical skills. For example, programming is very different from managing a group of programmers. That's one important reason I turned down offers to be promoted to management several times in my programming career. I knew I was very good at programming, but would suck as a manager.

Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 12
member
Offline
member
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 12
I agree, there are some that just aren't cut out to be a leader or to fill a leadership position. It's can be completely different from being a worker bee and being a supervisor.

After my time in Southeast Asia, I went to Ft. Leonard Wood to become a Drill sergeant. I was a SSG, E-6 at the time and loved being a platoon drill sergeant training the troops. Then I got promoted to SFC, E-7 and became the senior drill for the company. It wasn't that I couldn't handled the duties of a senior drill, that wasn't a problem. I just missed being able to mess and train the troops instead of directing the overall training and watching others do the training.

But one adjusts. You're correct.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 34 guests, and 2 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
SuZQ2, KevFilthyANML, Risky, Gladys G. Jackson, Beach Baby
6,297 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums61
Topics17,256
Posts313,071
Members6,297
Most Online294
Dec 6th, 2017
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.4.26 Page Time: 0.012s Queries: 36 (0.004s) Memory: 3.0304 MB (Peak: 3.2531 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2021-12-05 05:20:30 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS