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Trump spent his first 100 days with grandiose promises that were never delivered. Biden acted on his promises without bragging...Capital Hill Blue


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At least he is trying. He won by the skin of his pants and his control of congress is less than any president has had in some time. The miracle will be if he is actually able to persuade and Republicans whilst actually sticking to his guns. But, again, at least he is trying. Perhaps he thinks that he can get some more Republican seats next year. This is yet another one of them "in the fullness of time" things.

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Winning by 7 plus million votes isn't exactly winning by the skin of his pants. I had no doubt whatsoever Biden would win in 2020. What surprised me, perhaps shocked was the Republicans picking up 14 house seats, 2 state legislatures and a governorship all the while having their presidential candidate lose by 7 plus million votes.

That tells me there were quite a lot of ticket splitters who voted for Biden against Trump, but then Republican down ballot. I think that shows how much Trump was disliked by independents and some never Trump Republicans.

It's interesting that independents voted for Biden by a 54-41 margin, but only went Democratic in the house races 50-48. I'm happy with Biden.

Reapportionment has been announced today. Here it is.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/texas-gains-house-seats-while-191623864.html

Now that is finally done, redistricting needs to be accomplished and then I can start looking at the house races for 2022


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Winning by 7 plus million votes isn't exactly winning by the skin of his pants.

Meh...Clinton won by 3 million and lost. Biden needed to win by 5 million or he would've lost too. That's the reality for Democrats. And even then Republicans refuse to accept the results.

Florida gained a seat. And I'm looking forward to hearing your take on the new seats and the future Congress.


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I actually expected Biden to win by more. I had no doubt whatsoever Biden would win. He won 51.3-46.9. You had 2.8% vote third party. I figured Biden would get around 53% and Trump 46%. here was no way Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin would go for Trump a second time. Not considering their history. Michigan, Pennsylvania had gone Democratic 6 straight times until 2016 and Wisconsin 7 straight. 2016 was a fluke.

Now Michigan was the biggest question mark in my mind of those three. Especially with Detroit losing about half its population over the last 20 years or so.The problem with 2016 was independents really disliked Clinton more than Trump. A case of supporting the devil you didn't know over the devil you did. Also 1.5% if about the average for third party voters. In 2016 you had 6% and in 2020 you had 2,8%


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I still think Biden's win was by the skin of his pants but he did win which was a good thing. The Democratic losses were not all that surprising and they are going to lose next year if they don't clean up their act. Both Biden and Pelosi are working on it. I keep thinking, every time the Republicans do something stupid that the Dems have a better chance and then they top the Republicans <sigh> I also think that Biden's win is, at least in part, due to Biden and his team constantly pointing out that Biden is NOT any kind of extremist. That one really worked. Now, if the Dems can infect the rest of the Democrats with the same needle perhaps they too can win. This is really pretty simple. The undecided simple do not trust the Dems not to screw it up. Hopefully the Biden claim that a bunch of calling a bunch of societal efforts to be fixing the infrastructure. That just might be a bridge too far for most folks. I think they are going to bust that stuff out of the main infrastructure legislation. I have noticed that everytime anybody talks about Biden and Infrastructure there is always somebody who points out that only 5% is for the 'REAL' infrastructure. This is not, I think a good sign.

I heard a guy point out that all population increases were increases in citizens of color which will, hopefully, lessen the effects of the various Republican changes due to the population increases as well.

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Whether or not Biden won by the skin of his pants or not is probably a personal perspective. With me I realized the Republican Party is the smaller of the two major parties and to win in the general election, Trump would have to win the independents vote. I follow independents as they usually decide elections, not each party's base. What all the polls showed was independents going big for Biden. I had no doubt.

Speaking of the minority vote, I found it interesting that in 2020 Trump upped his percentage of blacks from 8 to 12%, his percentage of Hispanics from 28% to 32%, and Asians from 28% to 34% from 2016. Trump fell a point among whites from 59 to 58%.

. https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

Now back to the border, I think Hispanics living on the border are getting tired of all the illegals coming across. Numbers, 32% of all Hispanics voted for Trump nationwide. But in Texas 41% voted for Trump, in Arizona 37%, in New Mexico 42%. In states far away from the border, New York For example, Trump received 22%, It seems the closer one was to the border, the higher percentage of Hispanics voted for Trump.

I haven't the faintest idea as to why Trump would increase his percentage of Black and Asian voters. But for Hispanics, there's a good possibility, at least those close to the border it revolved around illegal immigration. I may be all wet, but that is what the numbers are telling me.


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You are right and that was a personal perspective. My wife's family is in Texas and she is Hispanic (and kinda pushy with it but she is handy.)
She always answers the phone in Spanish which tends to put off all the salesmen and hoodwinkers) Anyway, half of her family is conservative and half not. They, however, are not angry with each other and simply don't talk politic which I kinda admire. Oh, her family in Texas is also BIG! (large number of them). I remember when they took over an entire navy base to celebrate somebody's wedding anniversary. Oh, they are all also university graduates (to one degree or another) I won't even try to explain why they don't vote Democratic, hell, I am not sure they can but they have tired to explain it to me. I also had a really good friend, not Hispanic but REALLY rich. He told me that he has been surprised that Texas hasn't gone over to the Dems but its coming. He, incidentally, is conservative, seriously. He is not an admirer of Trump.

As far as UI can tell the Black and Asian voters who don't vote Democratic all seem to be upset with the Democrats and simply do not trust them. I think the Democratic party doesn't control their members. The Republicans march in lockstep and always have. They also always have a message and everybody, on that side, say it and if it changes they move to the new one. In some quarters that, all by itself, tends to comfort folks. For myself its pretty simple as I rarely for for and ALWAYS against. I am not interested in party at all and its very hard for me to believe much of what comes from the mouths of politicians. I do, however, talk to them on a regular basis and understand, for the most part where they are at and that includes both sides.

I have noticed you are a numbers guy. Got no problem with that one. I am simply too lazy to do what you do. I do, however, vote and always have.

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2016 was a fluke.

Yep, and it was doomed to a single term from the start.

Some poll out today has Biden's pandemic actions at 66% positive,

It's a telling number in many ways...the hardcore right wingers seem to hover around the 30% range. A sort of an army of zombie republicans waving the battle flags of fallen republics,

No matter what Biden does there will always be 30 some percent that hate it.

In regards to the racial thing...having dark skin does not make one a democrat. Many of them are conservative by nature just like white folks.
Many of them are abusive assh*oles like Trump.

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I think Hispanics living on the border are getting tired of all the illegals coming across.

They are refugees and immigrants, not "illegals". Most are fleeing untenable economic conditions, many already have family here and jobs lined up.


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Socialism is kind of a luxury refugees can't afford. Especially if they don't benefit from it. I think this explains a lot of non-White, immigrant, and refugee conservatism. They have fought for everything they have, and not interested in sharing. What they don't understand is that they would actually benefit from it, unless they are earning $400,000 per year.

It's like the morons who don't want higher taxes, because when they win the lottery they don't want to pay a lot of taxes!


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
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