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The Navajo thread (thank you Mellow) got me to thinking about culture. I have had multiple 'revelations' while interacting with Indian cultures about what, exactly, is MY culture. (Interesting fact - most Native Americans I know are fine with the term "Indian", even though it is an artifact of a massive error of ignorance by European "explorers").

Fact is, I don't feel like I have a culture, at least not one steeped in meaningful traditions or history.

Near as I can describe the essentials of my culture, it would be "consumerism", or Capitalism", or "industrialism".

Can anybody hep a feller out?


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This is true Loggy. I have a friend in the area here who at one time was the tribal chief of the Klamath/Modoc tribe down in the Klamath Falls area. He called himself an Indian and referred to his tribal members and others as Indians. He knew full well the origin of the word but he was good with it.

Most Native Americans that I have associated with over my lifetime refer to themselves as Indians and it does not bother them. Maybe the younger generation might be more sensitive to it, I do not know.


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Char Coalian.


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Hi log, I’ve given this some thought, clearly not enough but:

I think you have lived most of your life in the American west, so that culture belongs to you.

I know you have grown up in Christian communities (including LDS) so that is your culture as well.

I don’t know whether or not biochar led you to the ecological/green world or the other way around, but that is also your culture.

And by your culture I mean I don’t mean you’re an active part of it; I mean that to some extent you are familia4 with it and understand it.

Unless that was a rhetorical question, in which case I’m way overexplaining and your only culture is the culture of the Hatch.


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Everybody has a culture. Fish don't see the water they swim in.


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
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Just fishing around here. The situations where this has come up were all awarenesses of Indian cultures that have a genuine history, a long connection with their people and customs, and a historical connection to a landscape. Roots. In each instance I became aware of a living in a rootless non-culture. (The first time I experienced this was during a five day Ford Foundation Community Based Forestry retreat hosted by the Gullah people on St. Helena island off the coast of North Carolina. During a breakout group session a fellow traveler who happened to be a Nez Perce Indian was describing his cultural background, and it occurred to me that I didn’t really have one - I was a free agent, rootless - free to choose my own culture, but having no real building materials to make one out of.)

Seriously, what is the quintessential ’American’ culture - the culture of the invaders of the past 500 years? It appears to me to be one of conquest, exploitation, selfishness, and narcissism. Trumpism is the pinnacle of American culture.

I have been realizing for years that our problems cannot be solved without curing the flaws of our culture… the weird thing is that our culture is one of no culture - rootlessness.


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Everybody has a culture. Fish don't see the water they swim in.
So how would you describe American culture?


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Strictly speaking, though, rootlessness can be a culture - doesn’t that describe the Roma?

Is part of the problem, maybe, that you’re thinking in terms of a much newer culture than the ones you listed?

And I’m thinking I should have asked for your definition of culture.


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Originally Posted by Mellowicious
Is part of the problem, maybe, that you’re thinking in terms of a much newer culture than the ones you listed?
Nah… I think the New American culture is basically one of exploitation. And it’s not that new.


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n other words, you’re venting! (Nothing wrong with that..)


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