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numan, is it your mindset to pretty much disagree with anything anyone says and to then continue on to oneupmanship on every and all occasions?

Well, you are getting warmer. I like to take accepted "wisdom" and stand it on its head. The fact that it most often makes as much --- or as little --- sense as its opposite shows how incorrectly framed our ideas usually are.

My "mindset," as you call it, is to take unquestioned assumptions and question them. If I can make people feel like fools for swallowing so much nonsense, that is all to the good. It is a sound pedagogical method --- at least in the United States, where people are so used to being flattered, not to mention flattering themselves.

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Thank you for explaining yourself, numan. I now know to ignore anything you say.


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Originally Posted by Ron G.
Emma, I shall most graciously concede that your son's claim to fame is worthy of some passing consideration so long as you and he are not so gauche as to assume that this implies a real talent for things artistic, whether written or visual. You must remember the limitations inherent in the American character, American society and American education, and that he has hit the trifecta.

Given your son's limits as a result of his misfortune to be an American rather than the scion of a civilized nation, please understand that he will never be able to write some subtle, extended metaphor such as a sublime word-craftsman like Nabokov would bring forth, or the complex nuancing of the tortured soul that would spring from the brow of a Tolstoy or a Proust or a Joyce. He must, alas, be content with short, rudely-energetic bursts of words that would splatter from the pen of someone like Hemingway, the exemplar of the bloated, drunk and violent culture that is the real America.

Nor should you consider his photography to be real art, for it is mere technology, and any culture - even a pedestrian one like that of America - is capable of reproducing it as it lacks the soul of true art that is exclusively the birthright of those blessed to have been born and intellectually nurtured in some less toxic cultural womb. Therefore, when he - without imagination or real appreciation of truth and beauty - points and clicks at some dull American face that is unanimated by any true sense of taste or refinement, remember that it is not really art, it is just a subtle and extended metaphor of American rape of the world of true civilization and refinement.

Bravo, Ron! I knew that you had a sense of humor --- buried somewhere very deep within you!

I see also that my gentle remonstrances about the American scene have awoken apperceptions of the truth in you. Socrates would be proud of me! I could not have said it better than you have! Every sentence you have crafted has the lustre of true gold! Dare I say that this is a work of art?

Moreover, Emma's son, or anyone else, if they take to heart the truths you have imparted, has some hope of escaping the handicap and darkness of being born American, and entering the sunlit uplands of true civilization, where they may achieve the chief end of a human being: to glorify Beauty, and enjoy it forever.

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Moreover, Emma's son, or anyone else, if they take to heart the truths you have imparted, has some hope of escaping the handicap and darkness of being born American, and entering the sunlit uplands of true civilization, where they may achieve the chief end of a human being: to glorify Beauty, and enjoy it forever.
ROTFMOL you are full of yourself . ROTFMOL


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ROTFMOL you are full of yourself . ROTFMOL [/quote]

It seems some residual of numan's american heritage remains. You can take the american out of america... etc


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ROTFMOL you are full of yourself . ROTFMOL

It seems some residual of numan's american heritage remains. You can take the american out of america... etc [/quote]damn, if there was a slap my knee emoticon i would use it. LOL


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Originally Posted by Ardy
It seems some residual of numan's american heritage remains. You can take the american out of america... etc

That is a perceptive remark. Yes, some of my Americanness remains; it is my handicap and my cross to bear. I take some comfort that it may serve as a warning to others to flee from the infection of things American.

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It seems some residual of numan's American heritage remains. You can take the American out of America... etc

That is a perceptive remark. Yes, some of my Americanness remains; it is my handicap and my cross to bear. I take some comfort that it may serve as a warning to others to flee from the infection of things American.

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Did you flee the infection, or merely spread it?
In any case, you have clearly gained our rapt attention.


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In any case, you have clearly gained our rapt attention.
Ain't that the truth!!

I tend to be bored by the Ancients, the Classics and yes, even the dear, dead, deranged Geniuses (unless their lives had been interesting enough to merit a story in history's equivalent of a tabloid newspaper). There's more than enough in the here and now to keep me amazed, amused, educated and occupied...and pedantic pedagogy makes me rolleyes if not sick.

But I do come back to these discussions (frightening as that might be shocked )...and am wondering why...and if maybe I should seek out a 'smiley' that has his tongue embedded in his cheek...

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[Linked Image]there ya go, Naomi. I got this one from you.

High fives, babe. wink



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Originally Posted by numan
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von Braun understood very well that you need to flatter Americans outrageously if you are to get anywhere in the United States.
Flattery or not, the reality is that the pioneering work in liquid-fueled rocketry was done by an American, Robert Goddard, mostly in the 1920s, and that it was the foundational science upon which von Braun, Ley, et al. built the German V-2 program.

Goddard's work is documented, so, barring any actual and credible evidence from you that such science was the pure or largely unadulterated product of one of your preferred European national cultures, then I prefer to accept the reality rather than your prejudices.


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