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Originally Posted by numan
It may surprise some people that I agree with you about the rainbow. The works of Nature always, in the end, surpass the feeble human art that, as its highest end, reminds us in some degree of the transcendent grandeur of Existence.

Just imagine a great painting. If we examine it very closely, the art very quickly disappears. Through a magnifying glass, all we see are chaotic bumps and splotches of color. But nature, at whatever level you examine it, from clusters of galaxies to the sub-atomic particles and beyond, never ceases to amaze us with its beauty, its art and its elegance.

As for ancient Greek, if you have not learned the language, you truly have no idea of the wonders you will never experience in your life.

And to prefer a "pick up corner street band" to Mozart! I am shocked, truly shocked and appalled that you would say such a horror! wink

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Numan, I agree with every single thing you said especially my emphasis.

I don't believe a word of the last sentence though! grin



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I don't believe a word of the last sentence though!

You interpret my writing with a subtlety which I do not often find here. wink

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Perhaps my favorite "old world" artistic creation? That beautiful green diorite bust of Khafre, builder of the second pyramid at Giza.

It is a remarkable work of art. However, my favorite work of non-monumental Egyptian art, even if it does come from the New Kingdom, is the bust of Nefertiti which is presently held by the �gyptisches Museum in Berlin.

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As with all great works of sculpture, it looks very different depending on the angle at which it is viewed, and the type of lighting with which it is illuminated. Sometimes she looks young and innocently mischievous, but I am most impressed when she is seen as holding a noble pose, looking eternally across the ages, never flinching as she awaits her gods to speak to her. That sometimes moves me almost to tears.

P.S. What has the United States ever produced that even approaches the magnificence of this single work of art?

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Originally Posted by issodhos
...the book was banned and/or confiscated in the "civilized" countries of Britain and France, but allowed to be published in the "barbaric" US of da A.:-
Well, perhaps those refined Europeans - especially the British official that declared it to be the filthiest book he'd ever read - were insufficently aware of the subtle, extended metaphor. A bit too nuanced for them, perhaps?

I believe that Nabokov also achieved some academic fame as the founder of Wellesly's Russian department, and as the curator of Harvard's lepidoptery collection. Too bad he couldn't achieve his potential in the "civilized" world.

And I'll wager a half-donut that he was not at all insulted by the money that Lolita made for him in the land of the barbarian hordes. grin

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Originally Posted by numan
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...P.S. What has the United States ever produced that even approaches the magnificence of this single work of art?

It's truly a work of art, isn't it?

And where is "civilized" Europe's and Asia's work that has approached the magnificence of the images of the earth and the moon from space? The blue and white jewel of Earth against the jet black of space, above the harsh, gray-bright and dead surface of the moon rolling past beneath Apollo?

The first Earthrise, from Apollo 8

Should this sublime image from nature, produced by the artistry a raw, young culture, be considered inferior to anything produced by older cultures?


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Sigh. The obtuseness of so many Americans is one of the many things that make living in the USA so very trying. Dealing with the almost paleolithic lack of sophistication of Americans is like trying to swim through a sea of molasses.

The well-known Canadian novelist Robertson Davies wrote that the theme of Lolita is "not the corruption of an innocent child by a cunning adult, but the exploitation of a weak adult by a corrupt child". It would be more true to say that both these themes are woven together seamlessly with consumate artistry; and even that view of the novel is but a shadow of the higher theme of the exploitation of innocent America by cunning Europe, and the corruption of weak Europe by amoral and exploitative America.

Moreover, Lolita is filled with wit and humor that is uniquely Nabokovian --- though since one would need to be civilized to appreciate it, it will pass over the heads of most Americans.

I know of no work of art that says so much about modern America in so short a space as Lolita, --- not even Aldous Huxley's After Many a Summer, or Evelyn Waugh's The Loved One.

Curious that the best writing about the United States has been by foreigners; but Americans seem to have difficulty seeing even the surface of things --- being taken up with watching the self-congratulatory images flickering across the inner screen of what may be called their minds.

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Originally Posted by numan
P.S. What has the United States ever produced that even approaches the magnificence of this single work of art?

And your point is?


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Originally Posted by numan
P.S. What has the United States ever produced that even approaches the magnificence of this single work of art?

How about this?

or this?

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Dealing with the almost paleolithic lack of sophistication of Americans is like trying to swim through a sea of molasses.


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What does a sea of mole's arses have to do with art, numan? LOL
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Originally Posted by Ron G.
And where is "civilized" Europe's and Asia's work that has approached the magnificence of the images of the earth and the moon from space? The blue and white jewel of Earth against the jet black of space, above the harsh, gray-bright and dead surface of the moon rolling past beneath Apollo?

Are you now claiming that the United States created the Earth and the Moon?

That seems to pass beyond the customary hubris of even an American!

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