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You are absolutely right; if the Bush/Cheney Cancer is not incised from the system then this country will pay the ultimate price! This is not just a matter of this Administration, but as we have seen, once the government curtails Liberty and Freedom it will never fully reinstate them or relinquish its control. The Bush/Cheney Administration has used all manner of criminal and immoral activity to maintain and expand its grip on power. They believe their despotic grasp of power to be unlimited and unconditional by essentially asserting that the People do not deputize their authority but by an arcane interpretation of executive power, which suits their purposes completely. In other words, they seem to believe their power and authority to be original and not deputized or granted by the People. The Bush/Cheney trespass must be curtailed, denied and punished!

Those in our government who ignore the fact that they have been deputized by the People to perform a very limited duty under the Contract of the People, they should be considered unfit for such duty. If those, within this government or any administration of government, do not realize and fully seek to implement the principle that the power to legislate is not the ultimate power, but that the People retain, through Providential Grant, the ultimate Power, then those politicians are unfit to govern.

The People must again reassert their Power and must do so at any cost or we will lose this Republic to a form of coercive despotism that will only seek to expand its grasp over the People.


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The People can, I believe, bypass the weak willed self-serving Congress and force a grand jury to investigate the high crimes and misdomeanors of Bush and Cheney. I'm not certain as to how it is done. One thing is for certain Nancy Pelosi has no intention of doing anything that would remove Bush or Cheney from office. George Bush, Dick Cheney, Alberto Gonzales and Congress are far greater threats to the rights and freedoms of every American citizen than Saddamn Hussien ever was! Iran as a threat to our way of life is insignificant compared to this Administration and this Congress.


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The prosecutor for such a "grand jury" would still have to be appointed by the "justice" dept. Point, set, match! In their planning, nothing has been left to chance, and a toadely dysfunctional J dept and "AG" were clearly seen to be essential for the end game...

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I read today, or yesterday, on Raw Story I believe, that Dem House leader Rahm Emanuel introduced an amendment to cut funding for the Executive Office of the Vice President completely out of the Supplementary Budget until it was established what branch of government, if any, Mr. Cheney's office was connected to.

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Another interesting angle:

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What neither Edwards nor Simpson chose to point out was the fact that the oil revenues generated from the 600,000 barrels per day that the Saudis paid into the Al-Yamamah fund from 1985 through to the present, amounted to an estimated $160 billion--four times the actual cost of the entire military package delivered by BAE to Saudi Arabia. Nobody in London is talking about where the rest of the money landed--and what it was used for.

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Unless VP "Unca Dick" Cheney and President Bush are reined in promptly and severely it will only become worse. Assholes the world over are as they are until they are put in their place. This isn't secret knowledge. Cheney will continue as HE wants if someone doesn't clock his butt and tell him the way it is and the way it will be from now on. Congress is not going to even try. F-ing nancies.


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The Saudi royals are off limits.


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Whoa...good call!


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Now for an interesting twist
Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill

I guess in his efforts to remain secretive he may now be faced with no funding for his continued secrecy.
And the democrats are going to do this? Right! just like they insisted there be a timetable in the Iraq funding bill? Exactly! The democrats are gonna do squat to stop any of these criminals!

That's right. The Dems are not enough of a majority to do anything. It used to be that they would say they are the minority, so they can't do anything. Now they are the majority and they don't even try!

BAH! Sorry for the rant. I'm just tired of this helpless feeling! There is no one left for the average person to depend on. NO ONE!

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From Rep. Emmanuel's office:

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Posted by pastor Agnostic on the Round Table:

Pushing the Envelope on Presidential Power

Definitely worth the read.

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Waxman said that the . . . Defense Department . . . should incorporat[e] the language of Geneva's Common Article 3 . . . exactly the language -- prohibiting cruel, violent, humiliating and degrading treatment -- that Cheney had spent three years expunging from U.S. policy.

"Every vice chief came out strongly in favor, as did every JAG," or judge advocate general, recalled Mora, who was Navy general counsel at the time.

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Waxman, believing his opponents isolated, circulated a draft of DOD Directive 2310. Within a few days, Addington and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, invited Waxman for a visit.

According to Mora, Waxman returned from the meeting with the message that his draft was "unacceptable to the vice president's office." Another defense official, who made notes of Waxman's report, said Cheney's lawyer ridiculed the vagueness of the Geneva ban on "outrages upon personal dignity," saying it would leave U.S. troops timid in the face of unpredictable legal risk. When Waxman replied that the official White House policy was far more opaque, according to the report, Addington accused him of trying to replace the president's decision with his own.

"The impact of that meeting is that Directive 2310 died," Mora said.


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And the democrats are going to do this?


Well according to Top Democrat claims 'overwhelmingly positive' response to move to defund the Vice President
Michael Roston

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"On the Hill, there's an overwhelmingly positive reaction," a spokesman for Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) told RAW STORY Monday afternoon.


Of course this could mean he got one other person interested.





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