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US drone attacks (or any other type of attacks) are not being directed at random groups of civilians.



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Despite claims from the administration that drone strikes have killed very few civilians, multiple independent reports confirm that Obama is severely downplaying the wreckage that these drone strikes inflict. It is ultimately impossible to get exact numbers, but a new study from Columbia Law School’s Human Rights Institute finds that the number of Pakistani civilians killed in drone strikes are “significantly and consistently underestimated” by tracking organizations which are trying to take the place of government estimates on casualties.

There are estimates as high as 98% of drone strike casualties being civilians (50 for every one "suspected terrorist"). The Bureau of Investigative Journalism issued a report detailing how the CIA is deliberately targeting those who show up after the sight of an attack, rescuers, and mourners at funerals as a part of a "double-tap" strategy eerily reminiscient of methods used by terrorist groups like Hamas.


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It is ultimately impossible to get exact numbers.


But let me give you some...

In and of itself, war is a crime. Anyone who engages in it is a criminal. If they want the drone attacks to stop, all they need to do is cease aggression.

If the civilians don't want drone attacks they should shoot the terrorists themselves.

The US is looking for an excuse to get the hell out of there.
Give us one and we'll go. There are a dozen other places we could be waging war.


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You are, of course, assuming that there are terrorists and that they are not a hoax by government and the Military-Industrial Complex to justify wasteful spending.

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Remember the huge statue of Lord Buddha which once stood in this alcove? Carved from living stone 500 years before Christ was born? Is the pile of rubble where it once stood a hoax?


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KARACHI, Pakistan (AP) — Tens of thousands rallied in Pakistan's largest city Sunday in support of a 14-year-old girl who was shot and critically wounded by the Taliban for promoting girls' education and criticizing the militant group.


A hoax?


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KABUL — Taliban insurgents beheaded 17 Afghan civilians in a rebel-controlled area of southern Afghanistan, officials said Monday, and two NATO troops were killed by an Afghan soldier in the eastern part of the country. The civilians, two of them women, were killed Sunday night in the Kajaki area of Helmand province, apparently because they were attending a party that featured music and mixed-gender dancing, provincial
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A hoax?

I submit that the real war criminals are not the Americans.


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A hoax?

I submit that the real war criminals are not the Americans.

Yeah ? And who kills and tortures more people ?

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I don't have any real figures on that. But in Afghanistan I expect the Taliban are responsible for far more atrocities, deaths, dismemberments, and beheadings. You apparently believe the Taliban should be able to carry out their murderous extremism with no interference. The women of Afghanistan are treated as subhumans, gays are killed outright. Priceless art destroyed in the name of religion. Brutality runs rampant.

Yet in the name of humanity you would have all aggression against these monsters cease because some of the peoples subjugated by them are injured in the attempt to end their despotic control.

The Taliban are not a hoax as you have suggested.


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Perhaps you'd like to browse these photos of life in Afghanistan under Taliban rule...

RAWA Photo Gallery


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Good luck, Mr. Boyle, in making a citizens arrest.


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