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Nice recitation, Ezekiel, now... would you care to apply some analysis to some facts? Oh, and by the way, recite the rest of the applicable provisions? For example, "Art. 28. The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations." GC IV. It is easy, facile even, to make broad brush attacks when one does not have to apply analysis to one's assertions.

For example, addressing who the targets of the attack were, as opposed to (legitimately) mourning the effects. The principle rule in all laws of warfare is distinction, or did you forget that from your training? American forces make an effort at distinction and do not target non-hostile civilians. Taliban and Al Quaeda forces do not, and indeed, deliberately target civilians and non-hostiles. That is the fundamental point of distinction.


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American forces make an effort at distinction and do not target non-hostile civilians.


Facts, again, you seem to accuse others who present facts of said acts but you yourself are above them.
Where are the facts that Americans do not commit purposeful acts of wanton violence?
I have presented evidence that they do.

Is there some reason you keep veering from the topic?

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You should know. wink


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Taliban "Rules of War"...

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Taliban hang 7-year-old boy accused of being a spy, suicide bomber kills 40 at Afghanistan wedding

Twisted Taliban militants took terror to a new low by accusing a 7-year-old boy of spying - and hanging him high.

That outrage drew immediate condemnation from the Afghan president, who called the execution a "crime against humanity."

"I don't think there's a crime bigger than that, that even the most inhuman forces on earth can commit," Hamid Karzai said Thursday. "A 7-year-old boy cannot be a spy. A 7-year-old boy cannot be anything but a 7-year-old boy

The execution happened Tuesday in the embattled Helmand province, said Dawoud Ahmadi, a spokesman for the provincial governor.

"The innocent boy was not a spy, but he may have informed the police or soldiers about planted explosives," Ahmadi told Central Asia Today.

"If this is true, it is an absolutely horrific crime," added British Prime Minister David Cameron, while on a stop in Kabul. "I think it says more about the Taliban than any book, than any article, than any speech could ever say."

The victim was reportedly the grandson of a tribal elder.

The Taliban has targeted tribal leaders who have supported the Karzai government or took part in U.S. directed reconstruction programs.

Hanging is a favorite Taliban terror method for getting rid of enemies - and sending a message to other would-be opponents.



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American forces make an effort at distinction and do not target non-hostile civilians. Taliban and Al Quaeda forces do not, and indeed, deliberately target civilians and non-hostiles. That is the fundamental point of distinction.


This wouldn't be because they are "savages" and we are not, would it?


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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Where are the facts that Americans do not commit purposeful acts of wanton violence? I have presented evidence that they do.
No, in fact, you haven't.
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Is there some reason you keep veering from the topic?
The topic, my friend, is war crimes - and in discussing whether a crime exists, application of the law is an implied requirement. I am simply asking that it be part of the discussion, rather than a prop.

Now, I have to go do some things in the real world, so I must desist for the nonce. I may, or may not, be able to be back.


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Gerger, I assume there is some point here?
What, pray tell, would it be?


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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Where are the facts that Americans do not commit purposeful acts of wanton violence? I have presented evidence that they do.
No, in fact, you haven't.
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Is there some reason you keep veering from the topic?
The topic, my friend, is war crimes - and in discussing whether a crime exists, application of the law is an implied requirement. I am simply asking that it be part of the discussion, rather than a prop.

Now, I have to go do some things in the real world, so I must desist for the nonce. I may, or may not, be able to be back.


If you would like to continue the discussion I would be pleased to. But please read my post where the evidence has been posted.
To deny said evidence is "bad faith" and that cannot be a part of any discussion.


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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Where are the facts that Americans do not commit purposeful acts of wanton violence? I have presented evidence that they do.
No, in fact, you haven't.
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Is there some reason you keep veering from the topic?
The topic, my friend, is war crimes - and in discussing whether a crime exists, application of the law is an implied requirement. I am simply asking that it be part of the discussion, rather than a prop.

Now, I have to go do some things in the real world, so I must desist for the nonce. I may, or may not, be able to be back.


Yes, it is war crimes, isn't it. Glad we agree, war crimes committed by the U.S.A. - not the Taliban, or Al Qaeda, or the Nazis (all of which exist but do not justify anything).

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Once again I submit that the real war criminals in this current affair are not the Americans.
Zeke insists that what they do is okay because they are doing it within their own borders. Just, I suppose, as it would be okay if someone were doing it in our borders.

The Taliban is attempting to terrorize the people of Pakistan, to control them through fear, and eventually to take over the government. Pakistan has nuclear armaments.
As soon as US forces leave Afghanistan the Taliban will immediately retake that country. That will be sometime in 2014. President Karzai will flee the country or be executed.
Thousands who had hopes the US might defeat the Taliban will be executed. But that's okay. The use of dangerous drones inflicts injuries on far too many innocents and must be stopped.
History is a wonderful thing, Zeke, you can always find want you want there, be it good or be it bad. Current events are easy to deny; simply label them a government "hoax" and they cease to exist for you.

Al Quaeda lauched its attack against the World Trade Center from Taliban controlled Afghanistan. Label it a hoax and it just goes away.

Bin Laden Killed? Nope, government hoax.
Taliban an enemy worth fighting? Nah, government hoax.

Yes the US is guilty of many crimes. But it is also guilty of doing good things occasionally as well.


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