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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

It appears that the target has moved so far from the original topic that I can no longer recognize it. This discussion started with an argument that current operations in Afghanistan warrant war crime trials....

Well, that just is not true, NWP.
The source article was not limited to "current operations" in Afghanistan.

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Boyle told the Puerto Rican conference that President G.W. Bush had shamelessly exploited the 9/11 tragedy and "set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Middle East and Africa under "bogus pretexts." These pretexts included fighting a war against "international terrorism" or "Islamic fundamentalism", eliminating weapons of mass destruction, the promotion of democracy, and humanitarian intervention, Boyle said.
The serial aggressions of the U.S. violate such basic documents of international law as the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles, Boyle said. As well, they violate the Pentagon's own U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 on The Law of Land Warfare, which applies to the President himself as Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Armed Forces under Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.
They break their own rules? Well, there is no honour among thieves.
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U.S. administrations since 9/11 may be charged with "crimes against peace" for their attacks in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Syria...Boyle said.

The eminent international authority went on to charge that the war crimes included "torture, enforced disappearances, assassinations, murders, kidnappings, extraordinary renditions, "shock and awe' (bombings), and (the use of) depleted uranium, white phosphorus, cluster bombs, drone strikes," and the like.
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It is true that posters here have mentioned many, many war crimes by the United States government antedating 9/11, but I think they may be justified, in the legal terminology so dear to your heart, as "establishing a long-standing pattern of behaviour in the criminal defendant."

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It is "discussions" like this one that convince me that modern brainwashing, on a mass scale, can convince most people of anything.

What could be more obvious that shooting, maiming, terrifying and torturing little children by American military in many countries is just the same as what happened to the kindergarten children in Connecticut -- except that the government-sanctioned psychopaths do it on a mass scale?

I'm still waiting for most Americans to provide me with some evidence that they are sane.

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I'm still waiting for most Americans to provide me with some evidence that they are sane.


Have a seat, my friend, it will most certainly be a long wait! wink


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Originally Posted By: numan
...I'm still waiting for most Americans to provide me with some evidence that they are sane.

But how woodja kno, noomie, how wudja no?

Just sa'ne... Hmm


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provide me with some evidence

Do you feel it's something they owe you?

Do you imagine that they would think you are sane? What evidence have you provided us? You seem a little OCD and paranoid to me....
Just sa'ne...u_u


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provide me with some evidence

Do you feel it's something they owe you?

Do you imagine that they would think you are sane? What evidence have you provided us? You seem a little OCD and paranoid to me....
Just sa'ne...u_u


I think it's something YOU owe him ROTFMOL


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Well, considering all the mental problems people on this site have fessed up to recently (including you, my dear Greger), I have had to face up to the fact that I may be the sanest person here -- which I find to be an absolutely appalling thought as far as the fate of the United States goes.

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Recently overheard in one of the Galoorkkian laboratories for interspatial investigations, "Look Thaugustis, one of the humanoid germs colonizing cool orb #3 in the Solubus molecule, subdesignation noomie, is hyperactivating hallucinogenically with sanitivanity syndrome. Do you think we should neutralize it before it inadvertantly causes an infection to the whole colony?"


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I may be the sanest person here

I'd need more proof of that than I've been shown.
My own sanity has never been a question, I'm not, nor do I particularly want to be. It was actually during a brief period of sanity that I sought psychiatric help and I can assure you that I have been completely cured.
Back to topic though, as much as I abhor war and violence I'm not a raving peacenik. I understand that violence is an inherent part of the human condition just as is politics and the two are intertwined with economics. I simply accept the reality of it.


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I understand that violence is an inherent part of the human condition, just as is politics, and the two are intertwined with economics. I simply accept the reality of it.

Well, Adolf Hitler would certainly have agreed with you.

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