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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
I expect that the meteorologist's predictions for an El Nino will come true in October, because they have been right before.

The "problem" with El Ninos is the warm rain it brings. You need snowpack more than you need rain and there isn't much snowpack with El Ninos - only rain.


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I expect that the meteorologist's predictions for an El Nino will come true in October, because they have been right before.

The "problem" with El Ninos is the warm rain it brings. You need snowpack more than you need rain and there isn't much snowpack with El Ninos - only rain.


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I wanted to get out before it affected property values.


I suspect you overreacted: In LA and San Diego we already pay more for water transportation than we would pay to run municipal desalination plants. We really can make just as much fresh water as we want, and the water will be cheaper than the rates we are paying now. So I doubt a "temporary water shortage because we are too stupid to build desal plants" will harm real estate prices. They are still building homes, so that tells us something. I bet the politicians are just waiting for developers to pay for the desal plants, like they do with everything else.

I predict there will be disparity: Water districts with contracts to buy desal water will have plenty of water. Districts that don't will have extreme rationing.

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If we get the El Nino, the drought will be averted-until the next one. I agree that we need to figure out a way to capture that water, instead of letting most of it run off into the Pacific Ocean. We've got until October to figure something out.


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Well, that's not going to happen! It takes years to build dams, etc. and El Ninio events are barely worth building dams that are going to stand empty about 9 years out of 10.

We need to build the desalination plants. They are WAY WAY cheaper than building dams and aqueducts. They are tiny: You can't even see the Carlsbad plant and we drive by it on I5 every day.

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It's also important to remember that there are several other ways to desalinate water and recover water from the atmosphere. In addition to the method being used in Carlsbad and Santa Barbara, there are solar thermal, solar electric, passive condenser, passive evaporative and air well methods for reclaiming water, all of which can be deployed on several different scale models for either mass public or single private installs.

Some are slow and low output, some do a little better but taken as a whole all of them if deployed together can make a difference.

People in SoCal simply need to remember that we live in a very arid desert and they need to approach water that way.


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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Well, that's not going to happen! It takes years to build dams, etc. and El Ninio events are barely worth building dams that are going to stand empty about 9 years out of 10.

The proper way to hold back water is by restoring the landscape's natural ability to be a sponge, a feature that has been severely compromised by human development and abuse, and not by more plugging of Nature's arteries.

Use reduction, reuse, and cleaning are proper methods of increasing water supply. Desal is a good technology if the salts are dealt with responsibly, preferably by using them productively for other things.


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My water softener uses 120 pounds of salt per month. It's cheap but I expect the biggest part of the cost is shipping it from wherever it came from to a store near me.
We have plenty of water here and will likely have too much after El Nino winds down, but the coastal regions of Florida have horrible water and a lot of salt water intrusion. We already have one desal plant that supplies 25 million gallons a day to the Tampa Bay area but may be looking at more before long too, particularly since rising sea levels are gonna cause even more salt water intrusion.
Dams and aqueducts don't work all that well here since there is so little in the way of elevation changes.


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People in SoCal simply need to remember that we live in a very arid desert and they need to approach water that way.


Or they could just pay the desal plant about $67/month for their average amount of household water. That is based on the actual cost per acre-foot the Carslbad plant is charging the local water districts for their 50,000,000 gallons per day. And keep in mind that Poseidon Water is planning on making a profit on those sales.

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Dams and aqueducts don't work all that well here since there is so little in the way of elevation changes.
I guess you can't dammit all to Hell?


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