Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
Current Topics
Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century?
by TatumAH - 11/28/21 06:19 AM
A Fungus Amungus
by TatumAH - 11/28/21 05:37 AM
Denialism
by chunkstyle - 11/28/21 05:35 AM
RoundTable For Fall 2021
by TatumAH - 11/28/21 03:26 AM
Pacific Northwest Weather
by TatumAH - 11/28/21 01:12 AM
What's for dinner?
by TatumAH - 11/28/21 01:08 AM
Republicans promise brutal revenge in 2022
by pdx rick - 11/27/21 08:45 PM
Boundaries for Facebook
by jgw - 11/27/21 06:56 PM
masks and vaccinations
by logtroll - 11/27/21 01:36 PM
Winning
by rporter314 - 11/27/21 03:38 AM
A Musical Quiz
by TatumAH - 11/26/21 04:25 PM
Vigilantism - why isn’t it illegal?
by logtroll - 11/25/21 11:46 PM
"Mom, I think it's a boy."
by TatumAH - 11/25/21 04:37 AM
Gerrymandering
by perotista - 11/23/21 10:17 PM
You don't know beans! vs Killer Beans
by TatumAH - 11/23/21 08:37 PM
Moderna trying to ignore 1.5 billion dollar investment
by Jeffery J. Haas - 11/23/21 03:03 AM
The other side of shipping
by Mellowicious - 11/21/21 10:52 PM
Geoengineering
by TatumAH - 11/18/21 04:35 AM
Popular Topics(Views)
9,678,651 my own book page
4,777,395 We shall overcome
3,861,773 Campaign 2016
3,524,030 Trump's Trumpet
2,786,992 3 word story game
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 149 1 2 3 148 149
#280273 08/15/15 10:52 AM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,388
Ezekiel Offline OP
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,388
The Trump Trumpet
To read today's pre pre pre election coverage one would think that the buffon in chief, aka Donald Trump,
is doing something new. He is not. The Ross Perot snatch and grab and rant and run of the early 90s is the
playbook by which the Donald is creating his strategy.
Outbursts of idiocy and the phony "plain speak" that have punctuated his public appearances appeal to the
"less inclined to think" of Republican voters. And it is, after all, basic physics: the majority of people will take the path
of least resistance. Pondering the consequences of one's pronouncements is not that path. Hence, the images
conjured up by Trump's spewing forth of absurdities is what attracts those whose only reasoning constitutes the
easy to understand scapegoating of every other group except one's own.
Hitler did it with great success, at least initially. (Not comparing Trump to Hitler, just the modus operandi.)
What thinking people usually fail to grasp is that elections, and all other forms of mass persuasion, are NEVER
based on reason, i.e. rational thought. They are fueled by images that are easy for the simpler minds among us
to understand. Rehtoric is key inasmuch as it creates the oversimplified explanation for the complex problems that the
world generally faces.
This strategy, however, rarely stands the test of time. In today's world of global information virtually available
to most people, this is even less so. When information could be hidden or hard to come by, one could continue the charade
for extended periods of time. But nowadays, that will not work.
As a result, it is just a matter of when Trump's reckoning will come. And when it does, the same people who wonder
at how he sounded so true, will be asking themselves, how they were fooled by such clown - after all he did have the
bulbous nose and the wig and the painted face.


"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
Lenny Bruce

"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Dostoevsky



Ezekiel #280274 08/15/15 03:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 15,952
Likes: 30
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 15,952
Likes: 30
The only disagreement I might voice to this is that I believe Perot was much more genuine.
I believe he was intimidated into withdrawing.


"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD
deepfreezefilms.com
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 27,583
Administrator
Bionic Scribe
Offline
Administrator
Bionic Scribe
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 27,583
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The only disagreement I might voice to this is that I believe Perot was much more genuine.
I believe he was intimidated into withdrawing.


And I think that Ross Perot was a bit smarter.


milk and Girl Scout cookies ;-)

Save your breath-You may need it to blow up your date.




Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,388
Ezekiel Offline OP
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,388
Originally Posted By: Scoutgal
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The only disagreement I might voice to this is that I believe Perot was much more genuine.
I believe he was intimidated into withdrawing.


And I think that Ross Perot was a bit smarter.


I said he took the strategy from the playbook. I was not comparing the two as I don't think that as people they are comparable.

Last edited by Ezekiel; 08/15/15 09:39 PM.

"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
Lenny Bruce

"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Dostoevsky



Ezekiel #280302 08/15/15 11:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 27,583
Administrator
Bionic Scribe
Offline
Administrator
Bionic Scribe
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 27,583
Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Originally Posted By: Scoutgal
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The only disagreement I might voice to this is that I believe Perot was much more genuine.
I believe he was intimidated into withdrawing.


And I think that Ross Perot was a bit smarter.


I said he took the strategy from the playbook. I was not comparing the two as I don't think that as people they are comparable.


You are right. Because even a blind squirrel can pick up a nugget every once in a while. wink


milk and Girl Scout cookies ;-)

Save your breath-You may need it to blow up your date.




Ezekiel #280305 08/16/15 08:58 PM
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,371
Likes: 11
J
jgw Offline
old hand
Offline
old hand
J
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,371
Likes: 11
I find the remarks on Trump interesting. First, he is in, almost exactly, the same place Hitler was when he started (a loon with a very small group of supporters). The difference is that he is rich, which, in the United States, makes him admired, far and wide, by most of the population and particularly the Fox news folk. On top of that, everytime everybody thinks his mouth has gotten him into trouble his numbers don't go down, they go up.

I have been preaching, for years, that the continued lack of faith, in our government, and our elected, can bode no good and now we have Trump. We may be so far gone that all we want is the guy on the white horse who will save us inspite of ourselves. This could actually be Trump. He is pushing all the right buttons and he is doing it well. He has also, obviously, been toning it down a bit and working his mouth for all its worth. Sometimes it almost seems like he is actually spouting details then, again, maybe not. Anyway, given the continued and unabated dismissal of him which, I think, he depends on, he is going to continue. Also remember, he has also said that he is willing to spend 1 billion dollars to win - all on himself. Even the Koch boys are spreading theirs around. There is also some evidence he is starting to hire people and setup a real political organization.

Then there is the Perot thing. I remember that one. His main problem, and mistake, is that he ran as a 3rd party candidate. The system is heavily rigged against that one. Now, since the virtual collapse of our 2 party system anybody can run as a candidate for either party and there is little or nothing the party can actually do about it. I have also noticed some of the talking heads of the right starting to speak much less negatively of this guy.

Just think what happens when President Trump takes over - if you are into personal nightmares that's one that should set everybody quaking. When a country gets a guy on a white horse to save them its never a good or happy time (after the first blush) and people start dying. I know, its not gonna happen, he is just full of bluster and little else, he could never get elected.

Think on it a bit. The very act of dismissing him tends to display a lot more faith, in the American electorate, that, I think, is reasonable. Then there are our existing elected. The Republicans, for instance, in congress, has appointed a guy to be in charge of science, a doctor, who does not believe in science! He even says so! God is in charge and there is no global warming, for instance. Some are even nuttier than this guy! So, when you dismiss I would suggest you really think, long and hard, exactly what can happen. This casual dismissal of Trump is, I think, a very dangerous stance to take.

Just a thought..................

Ezekiel #280311 08/17/15 04:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,523
old hand
Offline
old hand
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,523
Not a big Trump fan, but he has an advantage that none of the other candidates have; He can say what he wants to say. From a purely entertaining standpoint, a Trump/Hillary election would be a hoot, a Trump/Sanders would be even more entertaining.

He stays on topic, shows little respect for the current state of open discourse and takes very popular stands. He could win if all fell into place. I have to admit, a Trump administration has a certain charm, a certain ring to it. If just to make the Libs heads blow up!


A proud member of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy, Massachusetts Chapter

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,388
Ezekiel Offline OP
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,388
Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
I have to admit, a Trump administration has a certain charm, a certain ring to it. If just to make the Libs heads blow up!

Any Democratic candidate that runs against Trump in general election, even a corpse, would beat him. He'd probably wind up doing more to help than to hurt them. So in that sense, I quite agree with you. wink


"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
Lenny Bruce

"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Dostoevsky



Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 11,598
Likes: 52
L
veteran
Offline
veteran
L
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 11,598
Likes: 52
I wouldn't characterize what Trump does as "staying on topic". He stays on his talking points. though, and ignores everything else. Perfect quality in a dictator.


You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
Ezekiel #280314 08/18/15 12:07 AM
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,476
Likes: 69
veteran
Offline
veteran
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,476
Likes: 69
Quote:
his public appearances appeal to the
"less inclined to think" of Republican voters


Let's call it like it is: These are the moron vote, and are actually an important part of the many coalitions that make up the Republican Party. If bad-loser Trump goes Independent he takes away the moron vote and the Republicans have a losing minority. Very badly losing!

Page 1 of 149 1 2 3 148 149

Link Copied to Clipboard
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 38 guests, and 0 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
SuZQ2, KevFilthyANML, Risky, Gladys G. Jackson, Beach Baby
6,297 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums61
Topics17,250
Posts312,766
Members6,297
Most Online294
Dec 6th, 2017
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.4.26 Page Time: 0.022s Queries: 36 (0.012s) Memory: 3.0386 MB (Peak: 3.2531 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2021-11-28 06:26:24 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS