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pdx rick #298046 01/12/17 01:54 AM
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David Corn has done a lot more than that, and I pretty much respect all of his work.

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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I liked the quote: "Trump is a poor person's idea of rich."

Actual rich people are not reality show hosts who self-promote constantly. Most of them you don't even know their names, unless you are researching a Forbes richest people article. And they go to great lengths to keep it that way.

There are very good reasons for that. For one, adoration by fans is way more trouble than it is worth. For another, they don't want their children kidnapped.


Very, very true. Trump has outraged his fellow billionaires by revealing what subhuman filth humans turn into when they have more money than is good for them.
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Sr. Rick:

You visit many far right sites in your internet travels. Whatís their general vibe on Trump these days? Are they loving him or are there grumblings? Of course it is early in the game and he hasnít even been crowned real POTUS yet, but I am curious as to their take on His Majesty-Dictator.


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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Sr. Rick:

You visit many far right sites in your internet travels. Whatís their general vibe on Trump these days? Are they loving him or are there grumblings? Of course it is early in the game and he hasnít even been crowned real POTUS yet, but I am curious as to their take on His Majesty-Dictator.

As Trump said a year ago: I could shoot someone on 5th AV and not lose supporters.

Things haven't changed. They love their Cheetos Jesusô - he can do no wrong in their eyes.


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subhuman filth humans turn into when they have more money than is good for them


Quoth the poor person! I think that is a bit overstated. I think you meant "can" turn into. Rich people can be rich for all sorts of reasons, and only some of them involve screwing the other guys. Others can lead very quite lives not screwing anybody. and then you can have the Bill Gates and Warren Buffets of the world too. It's actually easy to be altruistic when you have way more than you need.

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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Whatís their general vibe on Trump these days? Are they loving him or are there grumblings? Of course it is early in the game and he hasnít even been crowned real POTUS yet, but I am curious as to their take on His Majesty-Dictator.

The non-cons do defend Trump with vigor and an impressive lack of rationality when confronted by their "enemies" on the left. But when they feel safe talking among themselves, their support is a bit shaky. The main sentiment is that they "won" a major battle against the left and love to raise the middle finger banner, but they have no coherent, actionable policy issues that they are rallying behind. In other words, they have no idea what they, or Trump, are doing. Chaos is what they wanted, chaos is what we are getting.


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i am not so sure what you said is valid, for instance

it is true conservatives have their victory (sort of) and for that they are compelled to defend Mr Trump ... it is the reality and does not matter if in private they abhor him ... remember they have a backup ultra conservative president in waiting

they have a coherent strategic goal i.e. turn back, repeal, abrogate, etc everything any liberal has ever done. The problem is how they want to frak Americans.

The social agenda is certainly a point by point refutation of everything liberal and Constitutional ... they will succeed in imposing a de facto theocracy

Entitlements are on the plate and the craving knife is being sharpened. Military spending will be increased at the expense of entitlements.

2nd amendment will be expanded (hyperbolicly) so every new born baby will have an Uzi in their hands at birth.

Obamacare will be gutted and the states will enact their own version (the conservative magical thinking at work) with some help from federal laws i.e. cross state, torts etc

If all of Mr Trump's cabinet picks get confirmed we will have a de facto plutocracy with the corollary kleptocracy.

Now what chaos is it of which you speak? the results of their plans or the plans itself?


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Ah, but you are talking about the "professional" faction of conservatives... the standard sheepleconservative is who I described - the bulk of the Trump voters.

I do fear Pence much more, he is of the pro class and I agree that they have the agenda you outlined. Trump and chaos is much preferable to Pence and The Borg.


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yes i agree .... i see a lot of granularity among the Republicans with some overlapping of agendas

the professionals as you call them speak with forked tongue ... it is hard to get any of them to speak honestly about anything

by and large the street conservatives are easily manipulated and after 30 years of the constant barrage of propaganda I don;t see a way of changing their minds

i suppose getting rational folks out to vote will be the ploy but how to light that fire? another Obama? Sanders?

is there a message which will appeal broadly across all demos?


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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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subhuman filth humans turn into when they have more money than is good for them


Quoth the poor person! I think that is a bit overstated. I think you meant "can" turn into. Rich people can be rich for all sorts of reasons, and only some of them involve screwing the other guys. Others can lead very quite lives not screwing anybody. and then you can have the Bill Gates and Warren Buffets of the world too. It's actually easy to be altruistic when you have way more than you need.

How many billionaires are there denouncing Trump?

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