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The last third party to survive is the Republican party. Its one of them things wherein there were actually politicians who had grown a couple and a spine to boot.

We have a 2 party system. 3rd parties have been tried, time and time again. There are several right now, Green, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, etc. All failed, basically because they are endeavors of extremist groups that, in the end, don't get the support of the middle.

What 3rd parties really do well is to suck votes away from the established parties in elections. There are some, for instance, that blame suck for Hillary's loss. In the current political system a third party would, absolutely, guarantee another Trump term.

In the current environment the Dems are the most likely to spawn a 3rd party effort as there are little groups of true believers who seemingly can't stand the idea of giving an inch on ANYTHING. From my viewpoint these folks are very like the current Republican party and its a shame.

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Rubbish JGW. You have some kind of candy colored idea of what politics is that has no relationship to reality or historical record.
Now you want to run around yelling 'Extremist!' with anything that doesn't conform to your simplistic view.
By your political definition MLK and Senator Byrd were both 'left'.
Or todays Joe Manchin and Alexander Cortez are both 'Left'.

The idea of making common cause with the Left is more unpalatable to you than making concessions to the increasingly extreme right.
For what end? You and your political stripe, punching left while kissing right, have done this for decades now and is a major reason for where we are today.
Keep digging, there's gotta be a horse under all that horsesh!t somewhere.

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Great reply! Has nothing to do with what I wrote but then .............. (kinda reminds me of how Jackass replies to stuff)

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The idea of making common cause with the Left is more unpalatable to you than making concessions to the increasingly extreme right.


That's it in a nutshell. You're a bougy or a prole.

If you can't stomach the word "socialism" then you're a bougy.

Nothing wrong with that. I'm a prole. Every wishlist starts with higher wages.


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The last third party to survive is the Republican party.

The last third party to survive was the TEA Party and they completely transformed the Republican Party. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Donald Trump is the pinnacle of TEA Party influence.


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You could make that same argument for the Whigs. The difference is that the Whigs are gone and the Republicans survived. The destruction of the Whigs was over slavery. The TEA party was about changing the Republican party, the Republican party was an abandonment of the Whig party.

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Originally Posted By: jgw


In the current environment the Dems are the most likely to spawn a 3rd party effort as there are little groups of true believers who seemingly can't stand the idea of giving an inch on ANYTHING. From my viewpoint these folks are very like the current Republican party and its a shame.


I was responding to this chestnut.
You mischaracterize.
I'm beginning to think it's on purpose.

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Why am I reminded of the know nothings....

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Originally Posted By: jgw
The last third party to survive is the Republican party. Its one of them things wherein there were actually politicians who had grown a couple and a spine to boot.

We have a 2 party system. 3rd parties have been tried, time and time again. There are several right now, Green, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, etc. All failed, basically because they are endeavors of extremist groups that, in the end, don't get the support of the middle.

What 3rd parties really do well is to suck votes away from the established parties in elections. There are some, for instance, that blame suck for Hillary's loss. In the current political system a third party would, absolutely, guarantee another Trump term.

In the current environment the Dems are the most likely to spawn a 3rd party effort as there are little groups of true believers who seemingly can't stand the idea of giving an inch on ANYTHING. From my viewpoint these folks are very like the current Republican party and its a shame.


In our entire existence as a nation I cannot think of a single third party that has ever built themselves from the ground up unless one is counting the original Republicans.
So called Green, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, etc. have all been doing the same idiotic thing forever, running a POTUS candidate, then going into hibernation for 3.5 years and then repeating all over again.

My daughter, at age fourteen, complained that the only jobs she'd ever be able to get when she was old enough would be all at the bottom. She could not understand why one couldn't start at the top.
One would think an independent third party would have more wisdom than a petulant entitled fourteen year old girl (who by the way just got her second promotion and raise - she DID learn eventually!)

Unless and until an independent third party does the GENERATIONAL work needed to BUILD, they will continue to do that one thing - - SUCK!


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The last third party to survive is the Republican party.

The last third party to survive was the TEA Party and they completely transformed the Republican Party. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Donald Trump is the pinnacle of TEA Party influence.


Because that IS the only other way to "third party"...you take over one of the two major parties, tear them down and rebuild.


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