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I am very curious as to why some people work so hard to ignore the preponderance of science in favor of weird propaganda.

A publication of the Archaeological Institute of America is weird propaganda?
https://archive.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/
An article from the NYT, quoting the National Academy of Sciences, the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and other scientific organizations is weird propaganda?
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/ny-times-1975-05-21.pdf
If those articles were supporting the claim of global warming they would be accepted as "settled science." But since they are not they are weird propaganda. Do I detect a double standard here?


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“Some farms” does not logically imply that Greenland was substantially ice free. Some of the Greenland ice sheets are 3km thick and have been there for hundreds of thousands of years.

And newspaper articles from 49 years ago need to be put in context with current science.

You have your mind made up and are desperately grasping for anything to confirm your bias.

Why is your mind made up?


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“Some farms” does not logically imply that Greenland was substantially ice free. Some of the Greenland ice sheets are 3km thick and have been there for hundreds of thousands of years.

And newspaper articles from 49 years ago need to be put in context with current science.

You have your mind made up and are desperately grasping for anything to confirm your bias.

Why is your mind made up?

The article from the Archeology website did not say that all of Greenland was ice free. Do you read the articles before you comment on them? The article from 49 years ago is to put the current science in context. You are ignoring information you don't like to confirm your bias, logtroll.


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If that’s what you want to believe. I have learned that you folks are impenetrable when it comes to facts and discussion. Guess I’ll quit wasting time and energy, if that suits you?


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If that’s what you want to believe. I have learned that you folks are impenetrable when it comes to facts and discussion. Guess I’ll quit wasting time and energy, if that suits you?

Thank you for showing that it is you that has the closed mind logtroll. You cannot, you refuse to, you completely reject anything that questions the idea of global warming. Since I don't automatically accept what you believe you think any further discussion of this is a waste of time. If you want to run away from the discussion that is up to you. Should you do that whatever you say from now on has little or no credibility with me.


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Like I typed in another thread .... there is no way anyone can conduct an intelligent discussion with a climate denier who relies on propaganda and ideology.

Please stay away from "news" articles about climatology and stick to the scientific studies.


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Like I typed in another thread .... there is no way anyone can conduct an intelligent discussion with a climate denier who relies on propaganda and ideology.

Please stay away from "news" articles about climatology and stick to the scientific studies.


Another shining example of a closed mind.


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Everybody here just thinks you must be trolling us with your 50 year old newspaper articles. That's okay. We used to have a great troll here at Reader Rant who stayed in character for years. He preferred "the good old days" too, but for him that meant The Gilded Age. Quite hilarious!

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Like I typed in another thread .... there is no way anyone can conduct an intelligent discussion with a climate denier who relies on propaganda and ideology.

Please stay away from "news" articles about climatology and stick to the scientific studies.


Another shining example of a closed mind.


An open mind is one apparently one that is unhindered by facts.


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Global temperatures rising is a fact.

Ice sheets melting is a fact.

Rising sea levels...fact.

Increased CO2 in the atmosphere, fact.

I'm willing to compromise and admit that it might not be as bad as predicted. I do, above all, like to look at all the facts available before I make up my mind.

But sheer denial based on the opinions of journalists in centuries gone by does little to assuage my fears that maybe this time the human race has gone a bit too far. people tried to farm in Northern Ontario too. They starved.

It seems your denial is based primarily on ideology. Any attempt to mitigate climate disaster would effectively limit trade. I think you'd see Madison jump ship in a heartbeat when it came to saving the nation and the planet. But perhaps he'd rather die than submit to any limitation of trade and see the world burn if his particular ideology was not the one to triumph.


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