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The fact that the Handmaiden went to the WH to be sworn in shows Amy COVID Barrett's lack of judgment. Hmm


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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
...while Joe Biden, thru voter suppression and back room dealing...
The voters in the Dem primary are in on this collusion? coffee


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The symbolism of having Clarence Thomas swearing in ACB while Joe Biden, thru voter suppression and back room dealing, is the party's chosen centrist standard bearer is not lost on some of us. NWP.

Should serve as the ultimate example of the uselessness of centrism but something tells me it will not.

I really haven't researched the percentages, numbers of those who are progressives, more or less moderates, centrist and those on the far right. One could use raw numbers of party affiliation, equate those who identify as Republicans as rightist, 29%, identify as Democrats, 31% as leftist and moderates, centrist with independents 40% of the total American public.

But there're are varying degrees of leftism, rightism and centristism. Most independents will support one side or the other at times depending on the issue while opposing them also depending on the issue. They're not all just in the middle ideologically or between the two major parties. although there is a big chunk of them. For example one can be pro 2nd amendment and pro choice at the same time which doesn't fit into either party and gets them branded centrist. Although they feel very strongly about both issues, they just don't fit into either party's litmus tests.

Determining what percentage of those who identify themselves as Democrats as moderate Dems or progressives is tougher. Same with the Republicans, moderate Republican or far right. I would guess a majority, probably slight would fall into the moderate Democratic or moderate Republican columns with a good size minority in the progressive, far left of the Democratic Party and far right of the GOP.

Here's were we differ, I don't consider anyone who affiliates with either party as being a centrist or moderate. They have joined the left/right battle. Those on the far left or far right certainly consider those of their party not as far left or right as being centrist or moderates. But to the unwashed middle, independents they don't, most lump all Democrats as being far left, lump all Republicans as being far right.

Now I'll take a SWAG on the percentage of the Democratic Party faithful who considers themselves progressives where Biden comes down as a moderate or a centrist. I don't think Biden is, he's liberal, but not far left liberal or progressive. I'd estimate 30% of Democrats are far left or using the word progressive who consider Biden a centrist or a moderate. So they make up 30% of the Democratic Party which makes up 30% of the total electorate. But those 30% usually rule over the Democratic Party, policy wise.

This is my stab at it. I base some of the above on the 32% of the Democratic Primary vote Sanders and Warren received. They're true progressives. Everyone else was to the right of them to include Biden. But to the unwashed middle, swing voters, Biden is to the left of them, but not far left. So maybe without better numbers to go by, progressives or the far left could make up 40% of the Democratic Party. My SWAG.


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progressives or the far left could make up 40% of the Democratic Party
Far left? what the frak does that mean?

I think you need to define what it means to say something is "far left" or "far right". Once you have done that we can type.


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What is far left and far right depends on one's personal perspectives. Where they stand on the political scale. Then again, perhaps, where they stand on the political scale isn't as important as to be willing to work with others to get things accomplished. Certainly I view AOC, Omar, Sanders and Warren to be far left.

I thought about adding Schumer and Pelosi to that far left column, but intransigent would be a better word. Unwilling to work with the other side just like McConnell or as I classify them, all three as party firsters. I think Sanders and warren given the right circumstances and the willingness of the other party would work across the aisle. AOC, Omar, McConnell no.

Which brings me to something I think Greger said, that Democrats are more willing to compromise that Republicans. I think he's right about that. It's seems to me and polls back it up, that the Democratic Party faithful, the members are, but not the current leaders or most in congress. That Republicans both in leadership and in the base are more averse to compromise to keep things moving forward. Even a Gallup poll showed this.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/220265/americans-favor-compromise-things-done-washington.aspx

So, perhaps I will take a new track, trying to get rid of the intransigents, political ideology becomes more irrelevant if one is willing to compromise to keep things moving forward, gaining little by little than an all or nothing approach. This is another reason I think Biden wins fairly easily, he doesn't fall into that intransigent category or at least hasn't so far. I think a majority of Americans are sick and tired of this all or nothing approach. We'll see.


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Personally, I'm sick and tired of the nothing or nothing approach.

Republicans have, as long as I can recall, stood for nothing. They have offered up no policies, no solutions, no legislation, no resolutions, no reforms. Nothing that would improve the lives of every day Americans. After the 9/11 attacks they offered up two wars against countries who didn't attack us. They gave us $4 gasoline and the Great Recession. Halliburton and and the Military Industrial Complex profited mightily. Americans suffered. If you'll recall, the last time Republicans took control of all three Branches we got The Great Depression and WW2. The very first Republican president Presided over The Civil War.

They are the party you swing to when Democrats attempt to improve the lots of the working class.

Ideologically the Democratic Party is NOT a leftist organization. They don't even pay lip service to the left. They primary leftist candidates who would attempt to infiltrate their corporatist haven.

Occasionally some slip through, like AOC and her squad, because people elect them despite party opposition. More will follow shortly.

You can draw ideological lines in a variety of places...

Movement vs Order is the traditional French division.

Socialism vs Capitalism is the Marxist Division.

Protestants vs Catholics used to be more important but

Muslims vs Christians jumped to the forefront after 9/11 and

Evangelicals vs Everybody seems to be the religious division in the scrum right now.

You've got your City vs Rural vs Burbs...

Racists vs nons, queers vs straights, trans vs cis, rich vs poor.

In the end we all want the same things.


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