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I see your point now. You are always right, and I bow to your superior knowledge and insight.

I just wish you had some workable ideas on how to make it better. I would certainly join your cult then, and support your cause more diligently than Lindsey and Josh, and all those other guys have enabled Trump (who I now finally see is no different than Obama).


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Can’t help but think about the straight line between decades long conditions that have contributed to our current reality. If I were to guess, the Dem party response will be to become more authoritarian as a reaction to yesterday’s MAGA style brooks brothers revolt. Preferring internet censoring, imposing protest restrictions, redefining sedition perhaps.
Still, the lack of self reflection that had been a hallmark of the liberal class shouldn’t be ignored. Lightning doesn’t fall from a clear blue sky, as they say, and I haven’t seen much in the corporate media that has tried to grapple with economic material conditions that gives rise to the current reality. My fear is that neoliberalism won’t allow democrats the capacity to address any of the material conditions that give rise to right wing extremism. I’ve seen no evidence yet beyond posturing and spirited online rhetoric.

A prescient article for today’s currrnt reality:

“ There are tens of millions of American workers living in a virtual depression, in a virtual Weimar. Their anger is real, as is their fear. Ignoring it is dangerous. The right has been addressing it in the form of appearing decisive with “preventive war,” or by cranking up the xenophobia. When many of them go into the voting booth they will punch the card or pull the lever for a candidate who appears strong...

... The solution lies in doing something both parties have ignored in their free-trade euphoria: helping working-class Americans with jobs and healthcare. That will not erase the fear of another terror attack, but it will dissipate some of the anger resulting from economic hardship. It would tip the margin back to a saner political course.”

Rust & Rage in the Heartland

If history is any guide, the liberal class will become more authoritarian further increasing radicalization on the far right. Any left attempt to ameliorate conditions has been effectively crushed, politically speaking. My fear now is things will only get worse down the road.



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It's odd that I simply point out where there is consensus in the two parties. I thought that was the implied title thread?

Or is this more exercise in joining a group consensus?

Sorry. Guess I'm not the sharpest pencil in the drawer it seems with what your after.

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Originally Posted By: logtroll


I just wish you had some workable ideas on how to make it better. I would certainly join your cult then, and support your cause more diligently than Lindsey and Josh, and all those other guys have enabled Trump (who I now finally see is no different than Obama).


I literally just offered that, your sarcasm aside...

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Quote:
I just wish you had some workable ideas on how to make it better.


Living wages, healthcare, and education.

How do you make these things possible? Taxes and incentives.

Is their a difference between the parties? Is there a difference between yin and yang? As they endlessly chase each other...?

Sure, but it's mostly semantics. Good cop bad cop sh*t, y'know?

You're fecked either way.


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I just wish you had some workable ideas on how to make it better. I would certainly join your cult then, and support your cause more diligently than Lindsey and Josh, and all those other guys have enabled Trump (who I now finally see is no different than Obama).


I literally just offered that, your sarcasm aside...

I'm asking for things that we, as individual people, can do. If you don't have any actionable ideas, then quit acting like you know everything and that anybody who disagrees with your broadbrushing is wrong.

No useful ideas coupled with criticism of people with good intentions equals a whining hypocrite.


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Living wages, healthcare, and education.

How do you make these things possible? Taxes and incentives.

Seems like there is quite a difference between the parties right there.


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So far, Logs, you’ve only expressed your opinion that the differences between either faction is seemingly aspirational.

I wouldn’t disagree. Put another way, the differences are mostly performative while outcomes continue to do little to stop the deterioration of our countries quality of life.

I guess your factions aspirational differences are just not able to overcome the other factions material achievements. Bummer. Oh well, the only choice we have is to support those aspirations.

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Both center right and far right factions punch left.

House majorities decline- ‘it’s the lefts fault!’ Evidence free while being promoted by politicians and right wing corporate media.

Presidents provoked a riot in the Capitol- ‘it’s Antifa, socialist , communists provocateurs!’
Evidence free repeated by politicians and corporate far right media.

The reality..






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