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Is that what this thread is about? To give you a business plan? I recall another ranter who seemed to demand a remedy for any critique given by me. Odd, I dont recall that demand being required for anyone else in this thread.
Or is it a way to discount? Without a requisite business plan we cant consider your argument at this time. Pleas log off and try again later, etc..

Why dont you state clearly what your intention of this thread was initially? I took it to mean a simple stress test of the argument that theres little difference between parties.

Meanwhile: Unions Mobilize for General Strike Against Trump

You can give money to strike campaigns. I dont know if they will provide you with a business plan, but you could ask and report back your findings. Theyll also take volunteers at the line. Fairly simple.




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Airline stewardess union, led by Sara Nelson, stopped the government shutdown over budget IIRC. I guess high flying rhetoric has its utility over a well written business plan occasionally.

Meet the Militant Flight Attendant Leader Who Threatened a StrikeAnd Helped Stop Trumps Shutdown

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For the millionth time, its called solidarity.
Its whats required now, just as its been in the past.
It requires coalitions to make a demand to achieve much needed improvements in peoples lives.
Unfortunately, theres no solidarity in a meritocracy. Their isnt in science eugenics either, BTW.

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Random actions, no long term plan, don't care about the details... got it!


You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

It requires coalitions to make a demand to achieve much needed improvements in peoples lives.

I'm all about coalitions, but for the purpose of doing things collaboratively, not demanding things. Is it a requirement to include confrontational activities?

I can show the the detailed "business plans", too. You're welcome to borrow anything you want from them.


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Im not telling anyone what to do. Just offering my opinion of what needs to happen.
You asked, I answered. Thats all.


Sorry, what was the intention of this thread you started?

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I started it to try and find another way into discussion about "both sides" being the same. It's a complex subject needing innovative thinking in order to get beyond the unscalable wall that such an on/off viewpoint places on how to get any change done.

You mentioned coalitions and that got my attention. What sort of coalitions are you active in? What do they do and how do they make change? Are the people who participate Dems, Reeps, or other political animals?


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I started it to try and find another way into discussion about "both sides" being the same. It's a complex subject needing innovative thinking in order to get beyond the unscalable wall that such an on/off viewpoint places on how to get any change done.


Not sure what your after frankly. Why dont you simply get to your point instead of all this innovation thinking?

What do you think the problems are?

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Loggie: Nobody but you and I know what tensegrity structures are! A better example would be when a homeowner wants to remove a load-bearing wall, so his builder puts in some temporary supports and then adds a big beam to hold every thing up. If you just remove the wall without doing that, the whole damned building collapses.

That principle applies to most of our existing institutions: Really defund the police, and criminality goes wild. Reform the police, and you can get improvement. Abolish Social Security and you get mass starvation. Fix it carefully, and you get continued solvency into the future. Trump et al tried massive changes to immigration policy, which has been a disaster in so many ways. Look at all the real goals and interests in immigration policy, and you could improve it immensely.

Look at income inequality from an engineering viewpoint, and the obvious ways to fix it are to change the income and inheritance tax laws. NOT to have a general strike. NOT to start building guillotines. You need to impoverish the criminal rich who steal from the poor, not kill them. If you kill them, they are very soon forgotten and more of them pop up to take their place. Instead, you need them living lives that show their followers what happens to people who do that stuff.

That's why a poor Trump dealing with legal issue for years is so much better than a dead Trump. And I'm talking about everybody in that family, not just Donald.

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Not sure what your after frankly. Why dont you simply get to your point instead of all this innovation thinking?

What do you think the problems are?

There are lots of problems, probably none of which will be solved by conflict and fighting, or politics (same thing?). My thinking is the same as the Buckminster Fuller quote I use as a signature line.

You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.


You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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