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#332668 02/21/21 05:15 PM
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I can't honestly say that I give a rat's ass what Mars is like. It's a useless lifeless hunk of rock that has nothing of value to offer us.

A few billionaires are hoping to migrate there to an exclusive, luxurious gated community...the ultimate Galt's Gulch where they can take their money to avoid helping the poors.


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Originally Posted By: Greger
I can't honestly say that I give a rat's ass what Mars is like. It's a useless lifeless hunk of rock that has nothing of value to offer us.


Butt, what about Uranus?


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Is Mars really a better place to colonize that Luna? In terms of raw materials, I think they are about the same, except for sunlight. Mars has a lot less than Luna or Earth orbit. The gravity is 38% of Earth's (compared to 16% on the moon). Both probably require regular exercise in a centrifuge to maintain human health. Mars' atmosphere is very little CO2, so any artificial atmosphere creation would probably be from the rocks instead of from Mar's existing atmosphere. Besides, that just gets you the Oxygen. Even if they refined it by splitting the CO2, we would still need a lot of Nitrogen or some inert gas like Argon for habitats and excursion compressed air.

Shipping time from Earth would be much much worse for Mars. I think the combination of Earth orbit and Luna makes more sense.

Mars colonies will make a lot more sense in a 1000 years or so, when we can terraform it from space. Grab some liquid gases from Jovian planets to give it a usable atmosphere. Then plant some useful biota there to make it compatible with human life. Then we can have vacation stays on Mars as pseudo-birds, flying around under our own power. Of course, we could do that on the moon a LOT sooner, inside big domes.

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Stating the obvious. The moon is a better target for colonization.

It is closer
It is easier to get to
we know there are resources the colony would need and what can not be found can be made from what is there
The is no risk of an inimical life form, that we know of
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I always wonder why it is that we would want to colonize inhospitable faraway places (at immense expense...) crazy ?


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Yeah! Like New Mexico and Arizona where most wont have even snow to melt for drinking. As for Texas even Cruz has voted with his feet to let Texas eat cake icing.

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There's actually plenty of snow in Northern Arizona and New Mexico. And I really doubt the colonization of Arizona and New Mexico was financed at great expense! People actually walked there, and fed themselves by hunting on the way.

But there are some great reasons to colonize near-Earth space. Not so much Mars or any other planet.

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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
But there are some great reasons to colonize near-Earth space. Not so much Mars or any other planet.

It's gonna take some specialized equipment to keep tabs on the arseholes of near space colonies - longe range colonoscopes, I think, for doing colonoscopies.


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