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If Trump does run again in 2024, he may win the GOP nomination, but get his butt kicked big time in the general. Independents still don't like him. That word again, like. Trump may be a gift to the democratic party that keeps right on giving.

Romney: Trump will win 2024 GOP nomination if he runs

https://www.yahoo.com/news/romney-trump-win-2024-gop-073050987.html


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Trump has a huge backlog of law suits to bumble through and lose. I believe that he is going to get sued under section 3 of the 14th amendment as well as a pile of other stuff. I, basically, don't think he will be able to run again after they throw the book at him.

I fully expect several will make a run at this one. I also agree that its unlikely that he would win even if he did run. I am also not convinced that they will gain back the congress in 2022 mid terms (if the Democrats don't run a bunch of extremists)

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Trump may be a gift to the democratic party that keeps right on giving.


I'm pretty sure you're right about that. We're gonna hafta wait and see though, dems tend to lose even when they're dealt a winning hand.

I don't think Trump will actually run again, but he WILL continue to fund raise as the presumptive Republican nominee for 2024 and the rubes will continue to throw money at him.


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Even if he can't win or even run in 2024, it looks like he will back primary challenges against Republicans. That would get extremist nutjobs running against Democrats in the general election. That means a lot of Democratic gains in all the races. A few of his nutjobs will win seats here and there. That just makes things more interesting.,

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Who decides or has the power to invoke Section 3 of the 14th amendment? I thought someone must be convicted first of sedition and insurrection. I read the following and I'm still confused. first it states the courts and then goes on to where this leaves me wondering and confused.

Here's a portion, with the rest in the link.

The Key Questions

The first question under Section 3 is who decides whether someone is ineligible. The answer is that a court must determine if someone outside of Congress is subject to the disability. This point was established in cases between 1868 and 1872, in which men who were accused of being ineligible contested that claim in court with full due process of law. In this respect, Section 3 is different from a disqualification from federal office imposed as a sentence for an impeachment conviction. A disqualification sentence from the Senate is final and not, for all intents and purposes, subject to judicial review.

By contrast, Congress cannot simply declare an official outside of that body ineligible under Section 3 without the concurrence of the courts. To hold otherwise would allow simple majorities in Congress to oust federal and state officials without judicial scrutiny and would subvert long-established constitutional principles, such as life tenure for federal judges and the limits of the impeachment process. At most, Congress can exercise its Section 5 enforcement authority under the 14th Amendment to express its considered opinion that certain individuals are ineligible, with the expectation that the courts will accept that opinion under the congruence and proportionality standard articulated by the Supreme Courts decision in City of Boerne v. Floresassuming that City of Boerne even applies to the enforcement of Section 3.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/14th-amendments-disqualification-provision-and-events-jan-6

If there are those here that speak lawyerese, all I want to know does Trump have to be convicted first in a court of law? As conviction in an impeachment trial would do, but he was acquitted. Without speaking or understanding lawyerese, I'm no better off now than before I found this article. I still assume Trump would have to be convicted first, someplace, somehow. But you know what they say about assumptions.


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That is, exactly, why Mitch is fighting Trump as he doesn't think Trump crazies can win and the Republicans will lose.

The problem is, naturally, the Democrats. They are already starting to battle each other and Biden hasn't even been able to get all his people through the senate. Its almost as if the Dems can't stand to not be up to Republican so they are starting internal battles as well.

Now throw in the simple fact, so far, that those house members investigating the 1/6 riots have yet to mention that, basically, NOBODY was in charge when the riots occurred. I have now wasted even more hours watching that spectacle of Democratic incompetence and, still, not one of the house folks have asked, even once, who the hell was in charge! Its kinda sad. Everybody I have watch be questioned, so far, are loyal civil servants and its pretty obvious that they do what they are told but, in that instance, apparently, there was nobody to tell them what to do so they floundered. This is, in my mind, a really bad thing to watch and does not really instill a whole lot of faith in the current Democratic ability to rule. I watch for between 1.5 and 2 hours and then move on. I just keep on hoping that somebody would ask, right out loud; "Who the hell was in charge?"

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I don't waste any of my time watching that stuff. It's all political theater which can be boiled down to a single headline by morning.

No point gettin' riled up over it, partner. When I start feeling my blood beginning to boil at the stupidity of it all I go watch Li Ziqui on Youtube...

Or some porn.


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Usually when a party is out of power, they unite to regain power. Once in power, they split into factions as each faction wants to push their own little agenda over everyone else's. That not uncommon.

Using this history as a guide, it's why I think given six months to a year from now, the GOP will be a united party. The Trump faction will join all others for the 2022 midterms showing a united front.

But as I learned, when it comes to Trump, historical standards don't apply. Yes, you'll end up with progressives battling the more moderate faction within the Democratic Party. It's always worked that way when the democrats held power.


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No point gettin' riled up over it, partner. When I start feeling my blood beginning to boil at the stupidity of it all I go watch Li Ziqui on Youtube...

I may never watch Martha Stewart again...


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To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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Most folks want instant gratification, but at times it best to let things run their course as in the end, that gratification is be even greater. This gal is taking her time and doing it right.

Georgia prosecutor investigating Trump call urges patience

https://news.yahoo.com/georgia-prosecuto...mp;uh_test=1_04


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