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I have been watching the Biden thing and had a thought. I now believe that Trump was elected because he was this big time successful millionaire businessman. The desire was that he would get elected and fix gov so that it actually worked well. What nobody seemed to know is that Trump has failed at everything that he has tried to do except for his basic business that his daddy built and continues to be run by the guy daddy hired. All the rest is mud. He actually went banco 6 times after he blew through the half billion dollar gift from daddy. So, Trump got un-elected.

The really strange thing is that Trump, in four years, built a large group of true believers who support Trump no matter what. Many of them, for instance, actually not only believe in Trump but think he would make a great leader forever and doesn't need the congress at all! There are those on the other side that are saying that these people are anti-democratic and anti-constitution and did an absolutely great job. The other side, for starters, believe that Trump is responsible for a large portion of the 500,000 who have died from Covid-19 and that's just for starters. The other side (my side) believe he was a complete disaster.

Anyway, our problems with gov remain. It still really needs to get fixed! Current examples are vaccine distribution and 20 year wars, the FDA, and that's just for starters (I firmly believe that everybody at this site are well aware that gov really needs fixing and can think of gov things that need to be fixed). I have called, for years, for a new, empowered, Hoover Commission (established in `1947 and responsible for at least 7 major government updates and fixes). Biden has got the money to try and fix the economy with and is now going to try and fix the infrastructure (that REALLY needs it too!) My problem is that Biden seems to be saying there is nothing wrong with gov and everything else is at fault. I don't........

Thoughts?

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Biden seems to be saying there is nothing wrong with gov and everything else is at fault.


As a rule, Democrats believe that government can be a force for good. There is nothing wrong with using government resources to actually help people. Republicans, on the other hand, believe it is not the government's job. Government resources should be spent on commerce, industry, and defense. NOT social programs of any sort because they are all rooted in socialism.

EVERYONE knew about Trump's failings as a businessman and as a man in general. Republicans elected him because they want government to fail.
He was sent in as a wrecking ball and he pretty near wrecked everything. And they love him for it. Go figger, eh?


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You are right Democrats believe in government and the Republicans want gov gone. Their problem is degree and, now, the Republican party seems to REALLY want gov gone! That being said Democrats also want a government that functions well.

Our government sometimes does and sometimes doesn't. Its pretty clean, for instance, that the FDA, while having kept some pretty serious stuff off the market have also done things that just weren't right. They continue to fight, tooth and nail against the one dollar covid test (I was going to start listing problems with the FDA, I would suggest you google "fda problems" as the list would be too long. Then there is our 20 year war, an utter failure, and continues to this day. This is just two problems and there are a LOT more!

I think we all want a government that functions well and we simply don't have one right now! Here is one study: https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...t-but-some-positive-performance-ratings/

People don't trust gov, people want better gov, etc. Public faith in gov continues to go down. One can go on and on. There are some successes but those are few and far between. I also fear that government bureaucracies REALLY need overhaul. This is, again, incidentally, why I want a new Hoover Commission!

If you google "do americans think their government functions?" you will get a response of something like 1 billion replies and most are not favorable. So, we have two sides. One wants gov gone (along with, currently, the constitution and congress. The other side wants gov but wants a government that does its job and cleans up its messes which is not really happening). Oh, just for grins, approval of congress hasn't hit 30% approval. Congress has a current disapproval rating of 75%.

I believe we need, and should have, a government that is functional, takes care of its problems, and those who would govern would also be willing to sit down with one another and make genuine decisions based of fact rather than hate and separation. I also understand that when one side wants gov gone its pretty difficult for them to actually even want to do anything to fix the problems of an institution they simply do not believe in.

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I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about this. We both decided that the last president who actually had the well being of the nation in mind was Harry Truman and, probably Eisenhower. Truman left the presidency broke. Now, when president 'retires' they all seem to be rich. When the Clinton's left they weren't rich but took care of that rather quickly I thought. I am not accusing all presidents of being greedy just saying...............

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The Senate Parliamentarian says that Dems can amend an already passed budget law to include ol' Joe's infrastructure stuff, then reconcile it, and avoid a filibuster. smile


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The current situation is rather ideal for Democrats. They can budget reconcile to pass anything to do with spending to get the economy going again, but blame Republicans (and Senema & Manchin) for all other unfulfilled promises. In 2022, the Democrats can run on "We'll do all that other stuff if you give us two more senators." And with the current Republican strategy, I think they will get them.


God sent Trump.......because God was out of locusts.
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You may be right. There are, however, problems coming up. I wonder, for instance, what happens if interest is raised which will also raise our cost in paying for our debt. Eventually it will be more than we spend on our military. One can only wonder?

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Most economists claim now that the government spending money on constructive stuff like infrastructure and education is "worthwhile debt", but giving tax cuts to the wealthy is "bad debt". You end up with something of value in the former case. Nothing but rich guys with bigger off-shore accounts in the latter. And for all our spending, interest rates have not risen, and nobody understands why. Economists are more worried about deflation than inflation! And most US debt is held by US citizens, not China.


God sent Trump.......because God was out of locusts.
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There is no question that infrastructure improvements/developments pay for themselves. I only wonder why nobody has done anything but promise to do it through about 4 different presidents. Tax cuts for the wealthy are crazy, pure and simple. Given the American difference between rich and poor I suspect we are going to have some very bad problems not too far away. We are no longer, for instance, building anything the poor can buy or live in and its worse every year.

As an aside I should mention that Sweden, I think, has the most millionaires per capita yet they have no billionaires. I think, when somebody millionaire status they have reached the end of fortune building and its time for, I suspect, power instead. In any case...........

Our Interest rates are going to go up, the only question is when. They are not talking much about it but its true. As far as I am concerned taxing the very rich is the right way to go. I also think that stuff gov does has to be paid for. Money is based, flat out, on faith and nothing else. If they keep up the greed and don't take care, the American dollar can, eventually, dump. its happened before. Another thought is that, after WWII, in the 50's, the tax rate on the rich was something around 91% and, now, its waaaaay too low! I know some folks with buck who are actually embarrassed about this one and donate big bucks.

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It would change our country much to the better, if we reinstituted the 91% tax rate on incomes above $1 million per year. Incomes higher than that just leads to financial moves that don't benefit anybody. They just intend to make even more income. That tax rate would make such nonsense a waste of time.

Some are going to scream that would be "wealth redistribution", but we have been redistributing all the wealth to the top 1% for decades. The tax would be an attempt to stop it. If rich people wanted to avoid paying that tax, all they have to do is to pay their employees better.


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