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As an aside I should mention that Sweden, I think, has the most millionaires per capita yet they have no billionaires. I think, when somebody millionaire status they have reached the end of fortune building and its time for, I suspect, power instead. In any case...........
Sweden is a social democracy, It's geared for successful and lucrative careers. It is not geared for coddling the wealthy and allowing too much to accumulate at the top.

Nobody needs billionaires.


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It's not so much nobody needs them. The real case is that most of them do actual harm. The few that don't do net harm, only manage that by giving their money away to worthy projects or institutions. IE: I just read about Bezo's ex-wife giving 8 million dollars to a Chippewa Reservation college. She's doing a lot of that kind of thing these days.


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In a social democracy there is little need for philanthropy and less for billionaire philanthropists.

Philanthropy implies that there are people who need private help to get by, nothing more than an admission that government has failed.

Like ours.


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I think you are flat out right! Everytime I hear Mitch talk about how taxing the rich will destroy all the good their "tax cut" for the very rich accomplished. They continue to blow the trickle down smoke at us and some actually buy into that one. I swear, we have a large group of growed up that simple doesn't have the capacity to act in their own best interest!

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If it's all that great to give most of the money to rich people, let's just give it all to them and become surfs tied to a land owner or factory owner. That seems to be the Republican position, though most of them would end up surfs!


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That's kind of what we mean when we talk about end stage capitalism.

A few hundred billionaires own pretty much everything now.


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Before Trump I understood the Republicans and their conservatism. Now, however, that don't work. Right now, for instance, Trump and Mitch are in a Republican pissing contest and those aren't the only two at each other either. Conservatives have always been anti government folks as well as anti-regulation folk. That's just the way they are. They continue to try and hold on to that stuff but its slipping away fast. Trump, for instance, loves to spend money whilst feathering his own. He can't do that anymore with tax dollars so he has already made one run at his supporters (he got caught and had to give back something like 128 million dollars which one would think would weaken his support but, even that, wasn't enough to shake their worship of God's rep on earth Donald Trump (not only has Trump managed to screw up politics but also Religion, to a certain extent. I believe he has also set a brand new standard, don't have any idea where that's going but its not real inspiring.

I am one that believes that the longer Trump is not president the more his importance will decline. I hope I am right but there are a lot of people who will think that's just plain wrong. If he could lose some of the Trump investigations and, maybe, get convicted of serious law breaking maybe that might have some kind of effect but I kinda doubt it. If the fact that he was willing to con his own base to give him money to blow then I am not sure what its really going to take. Remember, everything Trump messes with goes down. EVERYTHING! The man is a walking disaster! The problem with that is that his base doesn't believe that. It just goes on and on and on.

All that being said. The very rich folks need to be taxed. For some strange reason there are democratic groups that want Corporations taxed heavily and, so far, the very rich continue to skate. Its Strange (to me). I have owned several Corporations, none of them were big, most made money, and the taxes were less than they would have been if I had not been incorporated. That being said, I don't think those that want the corporations heavily taxed just don't get it. There are big corporations and there are small ones. If they show a profit then some of the rich get richer and they should get the hell taxed out of them. This is not a simple thing because we have a tax code of considerable complexity and that too, I think, needs some study. I, for instance, would like to see the entire system of taxation re-written with a much simpler outcome with no more givaways, social endeavors, and gifts for them that got. There is a reason, for instance, why oil companies, who make billions every year pay very little in taxes we are told. The problem is that we are told and WE don't do a damned thing to fix that.

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Well, I think the only way to make any of those things happen is to elect people who at least SAY they want to do those things. And Republicans won't even say they want to do those things. Once you have Democrats actually running things, then you can look for those Democrats who DO those things, and elect them. They are out there. All they need is support.


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There are, I think, some things that are never spoken. One is dealing with the tax code. NOBODY wants to deal with that one I seems. You are right about the Democrats but they have a problem. They just don't seem to understand what it takes to sell something. They have one group (social enthusiasts) that scare the hell out of everybody just for starters. Take healthcare. I believe that our healthcare really needs to be fixed. We are spending something like a trillion dollars that can be saved, our results are not always what they should be, we need more doctors, etc. (this list is long) The Europeans have proven that socializing, in this instance, is the way to go as they have proven that a social healthcare system is cheaper and better than what we have. My point is that they are never going to get that one done because they cannot seem to leave the word "socialist" out of their arguments and that is a killer. They also have a few other good ideas that they are never going to win on. My suspicion is that they should hire a really great marketeer to train them on how to do the job because they sure as hell don't seem to have a clue. I know, I pick on the Democrats and it gets tedious and I apologize but it remains a fact. I think that Biden would have more success, for instance, if he didn't just talk about what he wants to do but why it needs to be done. Sometime he does and sometimes he doesn't (most of the time he doesn't). I think he assumes that everybody knows what he is talking about - not everybody does.

I really hope he can get the infrastructure thing done. He does have some stuff in there, however, that tend to upset a bit. My own thought is that he should start with the stuff everybody understands, have some success and then make another run with that other stuff.

Please note - I am, if nothing else, truly expert in wishful thinking!

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The incremental approach would work if they killed the filibuster, but the current Republican strategy is to vote everything down. So Democrats get just a few budget reconciliations per year the can pass with a simple majority, so it behooves to stuff everything in their bills they can. The limiting factor is Manchin and Senema right now. Effectively, those two Senators get to decide what legislation they will vote for and ultimately they are running congress!


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