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Call them whatever you like, I think the going phrase now is undocumented immigrants. Whatever they're called, they crossed the border and came into this country illegally. It also seems the local Hispanics along the border are getting very tired of them coming over. Either that or perhaps you have a better explanation for Hispanics on the border voting for Trump by more than 10 points Hispanics had voted for him nationally. I'm all ears.

Now to Biden. Economy 52.4% approve, 41.5% disapprove. CoronaVirus 63.4% approve, 32.2% disapprove. Immigration 39.8% approve, 52.3% disapprove. Foreign Policy 49.8% approve, 41.2% disapprove. Overall Job approval 53.1% approve, 42.0% disapprove.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Except for immigration, that's a good snapshot for the new president. Now I like to utilize the overall job approval for past presidents at the end of April their first year for comparison.

Biden 53%
Trump 41%
Obama 65%
G.W. Bush 62%
Bill Clinton 55%
G.H.W. Bush 58%
Reagan 67%
Carter 63%

Playing with more numbers, here's the approval rating of the presidents in Nov of their first midterm election and the results of that first midterm election.]

2018 Trump 43% lost 44 seats and lost control of the house
2010 Obama 45% lost 63 seats and lost control of the house
2002 G.W. Bush 68% gained 8 seats and GOP remained in control of the house, from 221 up to 229.
1994 Bill Clinton 43% lost 54 seats and lost control of the house
1990 G.H.W. Bush 54% lost 8 seats, from 175 down to 167
1982 Reagan 43% lost 26 seats, from 192 down to 166
1978 Carter 52% lost 15 seats from 292 down to 277, Jimmy had plenty of seats to spare.


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Call them whatever you like, I think the going phrase now is undocumented immigrants. Whatever they're called, they crossed the border and came into this country illegally. It also seems the local Hispanics along the border are getting very tired of them coming over. Either that or perhaps you have a better explanation for Hispanics on the border voting for Trump by more than 10 points Hispanics had voted for him nationally. I'm all ears.


I answered your question in a previous post:

"In regards to the racial thing...having dark skin does not make one a democrat. Many of them are conservative by nature just like white folks.
Many of them are abusive assh*oles like Trump."

And as soon as they set foot across the border they don't want anyone else coming across.

There is some resentment among Hispanic citizens about the influx of refugees. They're pretty much okay with their own(Mexican) countrymen crossing at their leisure, the refugees come from other countries.

When someone crosses the border seeking refuge they are not breaking the law.


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Being a numbers guy, here's where that perceptions comes from.
Percentage of blacks voting for Democratic presidential candidates
2020 88%
2016 92%
2012 93%
2008 95%
2004 88%
2000 91%

and so on.

Percentage of Hispanics voting for Democratic presidential candidates
2020 65%
2016 66%
2012 71%
2008 67%
2004 53%
2000 62%

Now there is a big change of voting habits among some Hispanic groups. Cuban-Americans tend to vote Republican while those from Mexico and Central America along with Puerto Rico vote heavily Democratic.

I would probably be amiss if I didn't include whites voting democratic
2020 41%
2016 37%
2012 41%
2008 43%
2004 41%
2000 42%


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Looks like about 40% of Hispanics always vote Republican, not terribly surprising and I wouldn't read too much into the fluctuations. Hispanics are conservative by nature. even the ones who vote Democratic.

And it appears that about 60% of whites vote Republican, again not surprising and not a lot of fluctuation over the years.

Only 10% of blacks typically vote Republican.

And again...don't read too much into changes which are within the margin of error.


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Okay, I won't as it has been pretty steady over the years.


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Each one of those elections was steered by the events of the day.

Perceptions, if you will, trends guided by the press, we have no idea what might have caused those fluctuations within cultures other than our own.

From the looks of things...white folks are about the least woke of all the skin tones.


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There really hasn't been much fluctuation since 1972 of how the different races vote. I should say for the most part they are within 5 points one way or the other of their average. the average for a whites is voting 60% Republican. Except in 1992 and 96, whites have voted Republican between 55-65%. Perot getting 20% of the white vote in 92 and 10% in 96 caused the Republican share of the white vote to fall below the 55% threshold.

Blacks usually are between 85-95% voting democratic. Again 1992 was an exception year caused by Perot getting 7% of the black vote with Clinton getting 83%. Even with Perot receiving 7%, the Democratic candidate Bill Clinton was within 2 points of 85%,

Hispanics have voted democratic between 60-70%. Here we have exceptions in 1980 when 56% voted Democratic, Anderson received 7% of the Hispanic vote that year. Not even with the addition of Perot in 92 and 96 did the Democratic candidate fall below 60%. 2004, 53% of Hispanic voted for democratic Kerry, G.W. Bush spoke Spanish and ran several political ads in Spanish.

So the vote by race has been pretty steady and within that 10 point margin for all races for quite a long time.

Now if you forget race, go by party identification you'll have 85-95% of both major parties voting for their candidates. Exceptions, only 65% of democrats voted for McGovern in 1972. 67% of Democrats voted for Carter in 1980, 74% of democrats for Mondale in 1984, 76% of democrats voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, but Perot received 15% of the democratic vote that year. 84% of democrats went for Bill in 1996, Perot received 5%. From then on all candidates fell between 85-95% of their parties vote.

There is no average for independents.Independents have been known to give one party 60% one election and give the other party 60% the next. Recent examples, 54% of independents voted for Obama in 2008, 48% in 2012, but only 42% for Clinton in 2016 while Biden received 54% of the independent vote in 2020. Congressional wise, 2006 independents went for the Democratic congressional candidates by a 57-39 margin, but in 2010, independents switched to Republicans by a 56-37 margin over Democratic congressional candidates. 2018 saw independents go Democratic again by a 54-42 margin. All one can say is independents are finicky.

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There is no average for independents.Independents have been known to give one party 60% one election and give the other party 60% the next.

Independents are the vast pool of couch sitters, whomever gets the most of them off the couch wins the election.


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LOL, you're probably right. But in the end these couch potatoes decide elections. Not either major party's base. The base of both major parties have been shrinking, couch potatoes have been rising. In fact from 30% of the electorate in 2006 to 41% today. The one thing you don't want to do if it's your party in power is to make indies angry at you and your party. Then 1994, 2006, 2010, 2018 happen. There's not a darn thing any party loyalist can do if their party angers independents. Best to try to placate them or be thrown out.

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