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Don't underestimate the crazies.

Their sole effort is to "prove" Trump won Maricopa Co. Since there is no script to follow the first thing will be to disallow as many Biden votes as possible for every made up reason they can imagine i.e. the circle is not fully filled in, irregularities in card stock, ink variations, and any other imaginable whim. Since there are no real time tabulators they can change the count totals arbitrarily to ensure Trump won by disallowing enough Biden votes for Trump to win. This is precisely what Trump told Gov Kemp to do i.e. find the votes for Trump to win.

Whats strange about this is if Trump supporters were told Democrats were doing precisely the same thing, they would conclude this is exactly how Democrats cheat to win.


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It's interesting: If Governor Kemp had gone along and "found" those Trump votes, he would be indicted for voter fraud by the Justice Department. If the Georgia legislature had put Trump's "find those votes" order to a vote, and then voted to commit election fraud, they would be indicted for voter fraud by the Justice Department. So if the Arizona Audit "finds" enough ballots to put Trump over the top, isn't the Arizona State Senate subject to indictment for election fraud? Or at least all the State Senators who voted in favor of committing that crime. Cyber Ninjas and everybody who helped commit that crime as well. This is like suing somebody and then having to go into court and commit perjury to make your claim.

I predict there will be a strange fire that destroys the ballots while they are in storage. Cyber Ninjas and Trump's lie lose too much credibility if they find no voting fraud. Cyber Ninjas and the State Senate get indicted if they fake up enough evidence that the FBI will disprove. They have boxed themselves into a corner. Fire is the obvious answer: Then Trumpers can claim Democrats did it to conceal their fraud.


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The Constitution pretty much leaves "The TIme, Place and Manner of holding elections up to the different state legislatures with a couple of amendments added. So did the Arizona Senate break Arizona's election laws?

There's a grand jury and investigators looking into Trump's actions here in Georgia to decide whether he broke Georgia's election laws. Kemp and our secretary of state followed Georgia's election laws. I really don't know much about those laws, I go vote and that's about it. As I understand it, Trump's phone call falls in the category of trying to influence an election outcome.

I know nothing about Arizona and their election laws, so no help here.


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It is a legal proceeding, which I presume will be held accountable to the laws of AZ.

Already, one of the leaders has tweeted they have found irregularities. For Trump supporters of THE BIG LIE, this is music to their ears .... it is PROOF of a stolen election. To me it sounds like it they could have found bamboo in the paper, or ink variations, non-Trump watermarks, etc, or simply a few expected miscounted ballots.

These clowns are looking for fraud ... and they will find fraud. Their supporters expect it ... no, no ... they know it and simply want the evidence which they have seen on TV shown to lying cheating pedaphilic baby eating Democrats .... thus their hatred of all who is not of the Trump tribe. In the delusional world of these people, facts would be devastating to their psyche ergo I fully expect a report which declares Trump won Maricopa.

State Senators are absolved of any criminal activities. Cyber Ninjas will be held accountable. They will throw out at least 37k votes for Biden, thus allowing Mr Trump to win the state election. If you don't think nit pickers can nit pick .... well ... nit pickers can pick nits off nits.

I suspect unless the DoJ has concrete evidence of intentional fraud by these clowns, they will simply respond to every accusation of criminal behavior as it's our opinion those ballots do not comply with our standards, or o we made a counting error, not our fault or etc. So maybe they could find the ballot lots insurrectionist Kern counted and find massive discrepancies.

Yes I believe they will get away with this fraud.


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Sam Levine, a voting rights reporter with the Guardian and formerly Huffpost, alleges Cyber Ninjas is miscounting ballots and shows a scan with the proof.

These characters apparently can not count their own fingers and get the correct number.


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Somebody here suggested that when the ballots were handed to outsiders those ballots no longer were valid. I think that is correct in that the constitution is pretty explicit on how ballots are to be handled. If that is the case then this whole mess is a complete and utter waste of time and money.

I really hope that is the case as none of this kind of stuff is doing any good no matter what is claimed. This questioning of ballots and turnouts is just another run at destroying democracy by them that want to have a dictator. Its lunacy and should be stopped. It must be against some kind of law? I tend to believe this kind of stuff is done by traitors, pure and simple and just isn't right!

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Somebody here suggested that when the ballots were handed to outsiders those ballots no longer were valid. I think that is correct in that the constitution is pretty explicit on how ballots are to be handled. If that is the case then this whole mess is a complete and utter waste of time and money.

I really hope that is the case as none of this kind of stuff is doing any good no matter what is claimed. This questioning of ballots and turnouts is just another run at destroying democracy by them that want to have a dictator. Its lunacy and should be stopped. It must be against some kind of law? I tend to believe this kind of stuff is done by traitors, pure and simple and just isn't right!
I think that's called ballot harvesting when someone, not an election official goes around and collects ballots from other folks and then drops them off. I do agree that should be illegal and is in some states.

I don't think the constitution says anything about how to handle ballots. It does leave the time, manner and place up to each state legislature and goes into detail about the casting of electoral votes and how that is handled. Now I could have missed it.


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This chain of custody has now been broken in Maricopa County. The state Senate and its consultants have physical possession of nearly 2.1 million November election ballots, meaning that Arizona election officials are no longer “retaining and preserving” election ballots. After the Senate completes its work and the ballots have been handled by an untold number of individuals employed by the state Senate or its consultant, it will be impossible for anyone to confirm or refute the results.

Once the chain of custody is broken, the ballots are no longer genuine according to federal election law. Would it have been possible to conduct an audit as envisioned by the Arizona Senate and at the same time comply with federal records retention law? Yes, it is possible. Rather than breaking the official chain of custody, the Arizona election officials should have either made paper copies of the ballots or scanned the ballots for viewing electronically.

If viewing the original ballots was deemed critical to the Senate, arrangements could have been made with election officials to have their staff available, at a cost to the Senate, to handle the ballots, allowing Senate consultants to view each ballot and record the votes, but not to touch the ballots. Generally, any recount in the normal course of an election is conducted in this manner; candidates and their representatives are never allowed to handle any election documents or ballots.
The vigilante auditors can, of course, tell any lies at any time that the spirit moves them to, which is a fundamental and chronic problem with Trumpery. I like the notion that those lies could be treated as election fraud.


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Fowl play VS Ballot Chicken Frickassee, Very well done!

Republican-led board demands an end to Arizona election audit 'sham' - while GOP official slams theory that ballots were 'shredded and eaten by CHICKENS'


This is my favorite story about the fraudit, that even over trumps the bamboozeling of ballots! Why bother telling a run-of-the-mill lie when you can tell a mother-of-all lie, that proves the opposite by reducktio ad absurdumb?
Amused minds want to know!

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The Republican-controlled Maricopa County Board of Supervisors slammed the 'sham' recount of the 2020 presidential results, calling it 'political theater' backed by 'grifters and con-artists.'

The members of the board didn't hold back when it came to expressing their disgust for the audit, which is examining 2.1 million ballots in Arizona's most populous county during the election between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

It has become subject to numerous conspiracy theories including one that state elections officials shredded ballots, fed them to chickens, and then had the chickens incinerated to cover up the evidence.

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"ballot harvesting"

This term is reserved for a process whereby a single person or group accumulates numerous ballots from voters and deposits them in a ballot collection center to be later counted on election day.

This is simply a case of breaking the chain of custody, because there was no election official to take possession and maintain control of ballots. I would assume like most legal things when chain of custody has been compromised the evidence has been tainted and therefore becomes invalid.

Even if these clowns could actually count and understand the process of an audit and even if their results mirrored the previously conducted audits/recounts, it would still be invalid and meaningless. In other words these ballots may as well be burned. However, someone may still be accountable for failure to comply with federal law regarding security of ballots ... could it be the election commissioners? .... Sen Fann? .... Arizona Senate?


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