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perotista #334252 05/20/21 03:31 PM
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Now look at those headlines

I look at a lot of headlines. "The Democrats" don't write the headlines. The press does. A press that's looking to stir up crap and get people to click on sh*t. It's all about the money and understanding what gets peple stirred up.

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Congressional Democrats renewed their push for a federal study of racial reparations at a committee hearing Wednesday, the latest test of whether President Joe Biden would support compensation to Black Americans for centuries of slavery and systemic racism in the U.S.

Not a push for reparations...a push for a study on reparations. But why don't we blow it completely out of proportion and say that the Dems want to start cutting checks to Black folks tomorrow!

I understand that everything has to be explained at a third grade level to most voters who have no more understanding of politics than your average toddler. I don't really concern myself with these idiots.

If they believe that Republicans best understand their desires and needs then by all means let them vote their little hearts out. Republicans invariably fail at federal governance and lose in the end. My little town is run very very well by republicans. My county government is entirely republican and they do a fine job. I'm happy with my state government under Ron DeSantis leadership. Based on his performance as governor I would be hard put to vote against him for any reason other than partisan ones.

Pero, you're a swing voter so I assume you really don't have any problems with Republicans. I have a personal vendetta against The Party...

I blame them for the loss of my business, my fortune, my health, and finally my home.

Prior to all that I was a swing voter like yourself and really saw little difference between the parties or their candidates.

But...what works at the state and local levels comes apart at the seams when it tries to become a central government and world power.

Corruption mostly. Good old boy networks are always run by the richest among them...everybody else bends the rules for them...


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I have problems with both major parties, so hence I am a swing voter. Now I do study independents, other swing voters in trying to figure out how they'll vote in any particular election. Whether their reasons are sound, fantasy or whatever doesn't matter, it's how they end up voting that does. Like it or not, it's these folks that pay very little to almost no attention to politics that decide most elections. Knowing how independents, swing voters are leaning helps in my election forecasts. But knowing that doesn't effect how I vote.

I think if I were a strategist for either party with a goal of winning elections, I'd be paying close attention to swing voters and trying to attract them to vote for my party's candidates. If Gallup has party affiliation right, the Democrats own a 31-26 advantage over Republicans. Both are a long way away from the magic 50% plus one. It seems to me both major parties are always trying to peeve these swing voters off. Neither party is interested in trying to convince them to vote for their party's candidates. It's like they don't exist for the two major parties. So they get ignored.

Perhaps ignoring them and concentrating on one's party base to make the base happy is why there is a very long history of the party out of power gaining seats in both chambers during the midterm elections. sometimes huge numbers of seats which changes control of congress.

I have no problem with your vendetta against the GOP. That's totally up to you. Now I think both major parties have strategist, that are smart enough to gauge the mood of the country and promote policies that are in the majority and put on hold policies that aren't. But neither party does that.

All it would take to put this reparation thing to rest is for Biden to come out and state, no reparations. Not to form a committee. Independents would buy that. Defund the police, once again come out and say no to defunding the police, but making the police more responsible to their local community with some much needed reforms, once again independents would buy that. Especially coming from Biden. To dance around these issues, saying nothing lets those issues fester, lets independents think Democrats are for defunding and doing away with the police along with making reparations.Whether or not they are for or against in reality becomes irrelevant. As the notion, the idea is there.

I have always said, Trump is a republican party problem. Now if the Democratic Party wants to say nothing and let independents believe they're all in favor of defunding and reparations, that is the democratic party's problem.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
perotista #334259 05/21/21 02:51 PM
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Like it or not, it's these folks that pay very little to almost no attention to politics that decide most elections.

Yep...the sheep. They move whichever way the headlines push them with no real thought for for their futures, no understanding of government, whatever triggers them a week or so before the election is what determines the outcome.

Kinda sad aint it.

And most see their headlines on social media...who's algorithm already knows their trigger and when best to pull it.


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What's interesting is there is always a big push to get those sheep to vote more and more. To get those who aren't a bit interested in politics, who's in control of government, probably couldn't tell you who their senators, representative, governors are. Just know who's the president is, but are pushed to get out and vote. There's an old saying that says that democrats benefit from a large turnout. That isn't always the case. It all depends on who these sheep are angry at. These sheep gave congress to the GOP in 1994 and 2010. They gave congress to the Democrats in 2006 and 2018. These sheep helped elect Biden, they helped elect Trump. Definitely helped elect Obama and G.W. Bush along with Bill Clinton.

Now here's something up your line. I'd like to know your thoughts.

Trump Acquitter Marco Rubio Likely To Face Trump Prosecutor Val Demings In Senate Race

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/rubio-demings-trump-210556806.html

I haven't added Florida to my list of at risk seats yet. Just NH, GA, NC, PA, WI. But I'm going to keep a good eye on Florida.

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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I suspect that Rubio keep his job. Things are good in Florida so the Trumpists are likely to win. Its a long time till elections and all sorts of things can change all of that. I continue to think that, eventually folks will figure out that Trump is a self serving loser and virtually anything he comes into contact with tends to rot (a book just came out which claims that Trump has been able to corrupt the entire secret service!). Trump rot includes people, business, etc (just about everything).

My problem is that the true believers keep on thanking Trump for all the wonderful things he has done for them. I have no idea what they are talking about. I do know that Dems might have a chance - if they don't screw it up.

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Okay, you got me thinking and I found this.

Poll shows support, but vulnerability for Marco Rubio

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/410602-poll-shows-support-but-vulnerability-for-marco-rubio/

So Florida is going on my watch list. Florida may be a state if this comes down to Trump vs. anti Trump campaign, Rubio may win since Florida did go to Trump. So I checked the PVI for Florida, the partisan voter index, it was a plus 3 Republican. Which means the race is competitive, but at this time Rubio has a slight advantage. Or one can say Florida leans Republicans. That's a far cry from likely Republican. Anything can happen as you stated.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
jgw #334264 05/21/21 11:35 PM
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Sheep is kind of an ugly word for them but the shoe fits. I prefer to think of them as couch sitters. There is an enormous pool of them to draw from and whomever can get the most of them off the couch will win the election. America was sick of Trump so they gave him the boot.

Couch sitters might or might not be independents.

They just make up the mass of the non voting public.

Democrats are currently pushing for a Bipartisan Jan 6 investigation.

Republicans are trying to sweep it under the rug. We ALL watched it on teevee and those were not tourists.

Who is gonna look bad to the most people? Republicans, I think. The strategy(as I see it) is to make the Republicans look like the bad guys

Not difficult reaally...

Which brings us to the Rubio question...Has Florida had enough of Marco Rubio? Will enough couch sitting, democratic leaning, voters go to the polls to prevent the second coming of Trump by eliminating his minions?

A Black lady....a clever ploy and it could work. But just offhand I'd say Rubio by a nose. Rubio is a South Florida politician and it's really strange down there. Cubans generally vote Republican but the Black and Puerto Rican vote might overpower that...but Democrats are famous for getting complacent and sitting on the couch at midterms...yeah...Rubio by a nose, take it to the bank.


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Coach potatoes, yeah. Yes, Democrats are famous for sitting out midterms. But that again is kind of a misnomer if that's the right word. Usually whenever a candidate wins the presidency that was held by the other party, the new president's party seems to be less energetic to get out and vote. The incentive was there to get rid of the president of the other party, that mission was accomplished. So the midterms doesn't provide the incentive that the presidential election did.

sure, both major parties have coach potatoes, but independents make up the majority of them. Independents made up 38% of the electorate in 2020, but only 26% of those who actually voted. Democrats made up 31%, but 37% of those who voted vs. republicans which made up 30% and 35% of those who voted. Understandable that independents wouldn't bother, they don't have a horse in the race. Republicans and democrats do, they own the horses. Independents are just fans, some avid, some fair weather, some who just plain don't like politics or don't care. The Democrats which had a plus 1 party advantage, had a plus 2 among those who voted.

2018 was another good turnout for the Democrats, from a plus 3 in party affiliation to a plus 6 among those who actually voted. The dislike of Trump was probably the main reason along with 2018 being the midterm for Republicans who accomplished their mission of replacing Obama with a Republican.

The out of power party usually has more incentive to vote in the midterms than the party that hold power and or the presidency.

Rubio, incumbent, yes he has to be a slight favorite. Florida is interesting as it went for Trump twice, for Obama twice, for G.W. Bush twice, Bill Clinton in 1996 and G.H.W. Bush in 1992. No pattern there. Until recently, Florida had a history of having a senator from each party. So perhaps, Florida could go back to having a senator from each party.

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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The problem with the Dems is that they never watch their mouths and that costs them bigtime. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes and blame it on something else. When was the last time you heard a Democrat actually admit, right out loud, that they screwed up?

Much of the Florida vote are the retired and that means old folks. They tend to be hidebound and rarely change their ways. Trump, for instance, has had one of his little get-togethers right in the middle of that huge community of retired and they all like to attend those events as its entertainment as well as politics and one of the few things Trump is really good at is entertainment. They are also sensitive to words like "socialist", etc. In northern Florida its an entirely different game to be played. I remember driving through northern Florida. Before we did we were told to be very careful because that was serious red-neck territory. That was a long time ago so maybe things have changed.

So, the Dems have a chance and the question is pretty simple - can they watch their mouths? I think its that simple.

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Us socialists don't really care if the Democrats hate that word. They can eat sh*t and die twice as far as I'm concerned.

I don't rightly care if the hate the Defund the Police slogan either.

And say what you will...reparations would be the right thing to do.

No, the left wing will not keep it's mouth shut to satisfy the neoliberal wing.


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