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Asking the Republiclowns to help investigate the 1/6 Insurrection is like asking the dog to help investigate who pooped on the carpet.

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Talkin’ ‘Bout A Revolution

The unanimous Declaration of the Trumpian Dogs of America, When in the Course of pooping events, it becomes necessary for the Dogs to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with reason, truth, and honesty, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them to poop upon the carpet, a decent respect to the opinions of canine-kind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

To wit: We don’t like that Biden won, so insurrection is hereby declared to be a noble and Constitutional act, and it wasn’t us who pooped on the carpet - nobody knows who did it (probably Auntie Faw...).


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I don't think it matters whether congress investigates or not. Public trust in congress is down to 13%, those who think congress is honest is down to 10%. So who's going to believe their results unless their results are what one wants to believe? Minds are already made up way ahead of any potential investigation.

No need to go into the reasons why so many folks distrust congress or think they completely dishonest. everyone will have different opinions on that.

What will happen if congress does investigate, their report will be big news for a few days after they release it, the polls will probably spike in the Democrats favor. Then a couple of weeks later it will all be forgotten by the public as a whole, the numbers will return to the pre-release figures. It will be as if the investigation never took place.

The only congressional investigation that meant anything was the Watergate one, it resulted in the resignation of Nixon and huge gains in congress in the midterm elections of 1974. A gain of 49 house seats giving the Democrats 291 and 5 senate seats to 61.

I can't remember any high profile congressional investigations since that had any lasting effects. Not even Iran-contra. Shortly after that investigation, Bush I easily defeated Dukakis.

Most Americans have short memories and even a shorter attention span. I'm not saying having a investigation is the wrong thing to do, quite the contrary, it's the right thing. What I'm saying is 2 weeks to a month after, it'll be ancient history like it never happened to most Americans. Some other hot issue or major event will have taken its place. That's the way these things work.

Things taking place in the political arena usually have little lasting effect. Now the legal arena is different. This is why I say let the DOJ, the AG"s of New York and Atlanta continue their work. Their work will have a more lasting effect than any investigation which will be written off as a political side show. A partisan event which means nothing except for those of one party or the other.

Am I a cynic, you betcha. I became one way back in the 1990's.


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Originally Posted by perotista
I don't think it matters whether congress investigates or not. Public trust in congress is down to 13%, those who think congress is honest is down to 10%. So who's going to believe their results unless their results are what one wants to believe? Minds are already made up way ahead of any potential investigation.

No need to go into the reasons why so many folks distrust congress or think they completely dishonest. everyone will have different opinions on that.
THAT is exactly what Donald Trump and the GQP want.


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Am I a cynic, you betcha. I became one way back in the 1990's.
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Originally Posted by logtroll
Talkin’ ‘Bout A Revolution

The unanimous Declaration of the Trumpian Dogs of America, When in the Course of pooping events, it becomes necessary for the Dogs to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with reason, truth, and honesty, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them to poop upon the carpet, a decent respect to the opinions of canine-kind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

To wit: We don’t like that Biden won, so insurrection is hereby declared to be a noble and Constitutional act, and it wasn’t us who pooped on the carpet - nobody knows who did it (probably Auntie Faw...).


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Most Americans have short memories and even a shorter attention span. I'm not saying having a investigation is the wrong thing to do, quite the contrary, it's the right thing. What I'm saying is 2 weeks to a month after, it'll be ancient history like it never happened to most Americans. Some other hot issue or major event will have taken its place. That's the way these things work.
ahhhh .... nope

for most things you are correct but not on this issue. Typically you could name an issue or scandal, and you would be right, but one should recognize the fact it may not apply to ALL situations. This is one of those.

THE BASE. I don't know how many times I can say the words, it apparently does not sink in. The base is moving the narrative, and THE BASE is not forgetting an iota of anything. Read the latest polling. Huge % of Republicans believe/know the election was stolen. No amount of auditing or hand counting by anyone will persuade them otherwise. They believe/know the insurrectionists were right to attempt to overthrow an illegal, invalid, stolen election. Why would you believe or think these folks would change their mind????

Republican Senators do not care whether you or anyone else believes they are doing it out of politically duplicitous considerations. What they care about is THE BASE which will turn them out in favor of even more radical extremists and if necessary will resort to violence to achieve their goal. With the help of a compliant media, these leaders have turned THE BASE into a savage mob of ignorant bigots.

Who is going to stop them? Not Trump and certainly not the people who have been elected already. I sounded the alarm of just how crazy these folks are before 1/6 .... should I now consider myself a voice crying out in the wilderness?


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That's true with both major party's bases. The base of each party remembers everything. The thing is the Republican base won't ever vote Democratic and the Democratic base won't ever vote Republican regardless of what happens. They've become mindless robots for their party. Nothing else matters.

Am I being cynical, certainly. What I'm saying whatever happens with the commission isn't about to change anyone's mind. Knowing this, I would assume all of this is for or playing to independents or swing voters, the non-affiliated. But it is those swing voters, the non-affiliated who have the shortest memories. Republican base will remember the impeachments, remember this commission and get out and vote. Democrats will forever remember Trump and the Republican obstruction of their goals and they'll get out and vote.

When asked have you heard about the 1-6 commission and the amount of attention they have given to it. 32% of independents answered a lot. They're paying attention to what is going with this. 50% said they heard a little about it, tid bids in the news, not paying much attention to it. 18% responded they heard nothing at all about it, since they haven't heard a word about the commission, you know they're not paying attention.

Perhaps, I don't know, is why independents, the non-affiliated aren't pay that much attention is that to them 1-6 is ancient news. Replaced by hotter issues and more recent news and events. Perhaps another reason is Trump is no longer president, they wanted him gone, he's gone, mission accomplished. Time to move on to other things and problems.

Now those non-affiliated who are paying a lot of attention to what is happening with the commission, 31% strongly want it, 21% somewhat want it, 10% somewhat don't want it and 25% strongly oppose having the commission. I'm still trying to figure out what somewhat favor and somewhat oppose means. Probably they don't care all that much either way. My SWAG.

You're absolutely correct in that both major party's base will remember everything. Everyone knows exactly how they'll vote and who'll they'll support. Boring. What perks me up is the study of independents, swing voters, the non-affiliate who decide national elections.


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I think we really need a commission into 1-6 We need it now because it pertinent, right now. When its done then I doubt very much that many will read the report but the findings will be covered by the press. Factual coverage of something that should not have happened and why it shouldn't have happened. A lot of things went wrong with that one as well. It was a Trump effort and he might have pulled it off except that it was another Trump failure for all to see because Trump himself is, basically a loser supported by other losers. I think one of the problems is that the Dems don't seem to get it.

I believe now is the time because its now. I also think that Biden should get off his wishful butt and get it done. The Dems, as far as I can tell, have no message and no discipline, and can't seem to get off their collective butts and get on with it. If they lose as bad in 2022 as they did in 2020 they, and the rest of us, are well and truly screwed. They have a slight majority and they would do well to start using it because, if they don't, its gonna get a LOT worse!

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ok ... you missed the point.

you're thinking low level issues ... not what I am typing about nor is it what the Trump Base is believing/thinking/knowing. I am talking 1860. Yes 1860 .... irreconcilable differences with the additional flavor they don't like the America you live in. Elections are for the elites who cheat and steal ballots. When push comes to shove, they are talking civil war.

I am surrounded by these clowns. They are politically delusional. I know your response ... yeah sure but you havent seen anything like it before so it aint happening now. Yeah but you said that before 1/6 .... and still you are in denial. I think you are so cynical and skeptical of the powder keg youre sitting on, you believe it is a strange chair, but Republican leaders know the dangers of THE BASE and are scared they can not control their own people.

Mr Trump is a narcissist .... sorry if you don't believe it, and THE BASE is politically delusional and reside in Mr Trump narcissistic delusions.

You may not think, even if you should consider it true and valid, it is a problem, but it may be worse than I think it is. We live in politically dangerous times and I believe a heightened state of awareness and readiness, if called to action, is necessary for our Democracy to survive.


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In furtherance of this at the Patriot Roundup for God and Country Kraken Lady Powell and Gen Flynn both stated the sentiments of the crowd .... Mr Trump is still president .... the election was stolen ... etc etc

If you don't think these folks are delusional weeeeellllll ....

America .... we got a problem


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