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That might explain one race, not the numerous others. But I doubt it. It also doesn't explain Trump getting 41% of the Hispanic vote in Texas, 39% in New Mexico, 37% in Arizona way above his national average of 32%.

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It doesn't surprise me a bit that the border state Mexicans went for Trump.

They've been assimilated longer and don't vote racial issues as much as idealogically. Hispanics are pretty conservative as a people. Once assimilated they're voting for lower taxes and less government interference in their often shady business dealings. Democrats might force them to hire legitimate workers at a fair rate.


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...[o]nce assimilated they're voting for lower taxes and less government interference in their often shady business dealings. Democrats might force them to hire legitimate workers at a fair rate.
Exactly...it's the caste system with immigrants. Once they become legit, they treat other new immigrants how they were treated. Hmm


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There is an inherent assumption/stereotype regarding Hispanics and their politic choices. First it has been noted by many writers, commentators, and other knowledgeable pundits the Hispanic block is not monolithic. Second the assumption is since there is high correlation between ethnicity of illegals from southern border and Hispanics, Hispanics should be .... would be empathetic, but that is not the case. Hispanics turn out to be a lot like the broad general population on many issues, immigration being one.


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The Hispanic vote or group certainly isn't monolithic. History shows them voting Democratic 60-70% in presidential races going back to 1980. 2004 was an exception, Kerry won Hispanic 58-40 over G.W. Bush. Bush's 40% was the highest percentage any Republican candidate received since 1980.

Hispanics from Cuba are overwhelmingly Republican, Hispanics from Mexico, Central America are usually overwhelmingly Democratic as a general rule. What's different here is the movement of Mexican and central American Hispanic toward the GOP, away from the Democratic Party in the border states. Something that hasn't happened from 1980-the presidential election of 2016.Nationwide, Clinton received 66% of the Hispanic vote, Biden 65%. Perhaps it's Biden's and the democratic party's illegal immigration policy which is viewed as welcoming illegals.

Being a numbers man, I set out to find out if that could be true. Biden's nationwide approval on immigration as of 7 June is 40%, way below his overall approval rating of 54%. Hispanics nationwide give Biden a 56% approval on immigration, But in Texas, Biden's approval rating on immigration is 40% from Hispanics. New Mexico and Arizona, no figures were available. I think what this means is other states away from the Border, not effected by illegals that much must be higher than the 56% approval given Biden nationwide.

which give credence to all three of you and your points. I don't see Biden and the Democrats changing their immigration policy regardless of Hispanics in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico might think of it. What this may mean in the future is Texas stays Red regardless of changes in demographics, Arizona will probably return to being red and New Mexico is moving that way.

Texas Hispanics have already moved away from being called Hispanics or Latino to wanting to be called Tejano's. Especially along the border area.


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Donald Trump, I think is he answer to this little mystery as well.

He appealed to bigoted misogynistic racist assh*les.

Mexicans were not immune to his nonsense and a lot of them just happen to be the sort of people who would definitely be Trumpers if they weren't Mexican....maybe enough to skew the numbers

I'm going to guess that once he's gone the Hispanic vote will return to its former balance.


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Time will tell, so we'll see. I think it goes beyond Trump especially in the border states.


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Certainly it goes beyond Trump, he's old and will be gone soon. But the party still appeals to the bigoted misogynist racist assh*les in every demographic.

The party appeals to the wealthy too, who often fall into one or more of the above listed categories. As more people of color become more financially independent they also become more sensitive to having to pay taxes...The Republican Party feels their pain and agrees that taxes are for the poors!


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That doesn't explain the huge gap the wealthy have given to the Democrats since 2008 through 2020 over the Republicans. A 4 billion dollar gap. It may be these moneyed elites don't care who wins, as long as the winner owes them for their election. That 4 billion dollar gap in favor of the Democrats is for both presidential and congressional.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/10/cost-of-2020-election-14billion-update/

Presidential for 2020, Biden 1.6 billion, Trump 1.1 billion

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race

Presidential for 2016, Clinton 1.2 billion, Trump 648 million

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

2012 presidential Obama 722 million, Romney 450 million

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

2008 presidential Obama 730 million, McCain 333 million

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/


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Giving money to the Dems is like flushing it down the toilet. They continue to run their mouths and destroy their chances at getting the independents. Their message is also trash and is not a single message but multiple messages, some of which don't seem to make any more sense than Republican claims.

Without getting some discipline and common messages they will fail. If they don't start to actually attack the Republicans, at a very basic level they will fail. Its as if they want to lose so they can whine! I am, incidentally not alone on this one.

Its really necessary for them to just stop it, grow a pair, and actually go after the Republicans on their lies, their semi-authoritarian crap, their racist stances, and their legislation. Up here we hear nothing about that. Instead its all, pretty much, about themselves!

Then throw in the simple fact that Biden has big plans but no way to actually pass legislation to get it done. Instead he believes, apparently, that the Dems and the Republicans will gather together, sing a little song, and then agree on everything. He can shove some of his stuff through but still can't pay for it. His apparent solution is to goto Europe and be a star. Then, to top it all off the, progressive wing of the dems, are upset that he Hasn't produced any legislation are are starting to yell a lot.

Its getting flat out strange!

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