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That's what the founding fathers and framers wanted. They were afraid that with the founding of political parties it would be party over country. They envisioned people running for office on their own without the benefit of a political party. Andrew Jackson established the first modern political party, the Democratic Party. Parties prior to that weren't political parties as we envision them. More like clubs of like minded individuals.

One also needs to remember in the beginning as a Representative Republic, it was mostly state legislature who awarded their states electoral votes. The people voted for their state representatives and their state representatives awarded their states electoral votes as the peoples representatives. It wasn't until 1868 that all states went to the popular vote.

Louisiana in 1977 went with a jungle primary without placing the letter of party affiliation behind the candidates name. That was changed for the next election cycle as a lot of people complained they didn't know who to vote for without the party affiliation being on the ballot behind the candidates name. Just goes to show you that who the candidate is doesn't matter to a lot of folks, it's the party.

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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The problem with the filibuster as it currently stands, is that it only applies exactly when Republicans want it to apply: The things important to Republicans are taxes and confirming conservative judges: No filibuster applies to either. Democrats want to pass laws to improve things for our country: Unless they fit into budget reconciliation, Republicans can filibuster them.

So heads, Republicans win. Tails, Democrats lose. Manchin claims to be concerned that if we get rid of the filibuster altogether, Republicans will always get their way if they regain power in both Houses and the Presidency. But they do already! I think he and Senema won't have to worry about that, because if congress does not pass the voting rights bill, they will not be reelected. And perhaps American democracy is finished.


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So, here's the thing about filibusters, the bill can pass on straight party line AFTER the filibuster is over. Just let the GQP'er crybabies have their hissy-fit, then the Dems can get the Bill signed into law.

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That's not what the rules say now. Some Senator just has to say he will filibuster and the bill is dead. Just getting rid of that would be enough. If somebody threatens to filibuster, fine: Let them. They can talk until their vocal chords give out, and then the debate is over. It might take a while to get to a floor vote, but it would eventually because the Senate has to get to other things.


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Biden's infastructure deal proves bipartisanship can't deliver

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For a moment last week, President Joe Biden’s vision of a dealmaking, bipartisan Senate that gets big things done for the American people looked like it could soon become reality. With Biden’s announcement that Democrats and Republicans “have a deal” on infrastructure, it seemed both sides in Washington, DC, were on the verge of coming together to pass a large bill — one that would not only help rebuild America’s roads and bridges but also, potentially, move to tackle climate change, expand access to broadband internet, and remove lead from drinking water.

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Last week’s news was about a $1 trillion deal that some Senate Democrats and Republicans are working to get through the 60-vote threshold required overcome the filibuster. But, as Biden has said, Democrats are also working on another measure, ranging anywhere from $2 trillion to $6 trillion, that could pass Congress with only Democratic support by using the reconciliation process. Biden is promising and working toward bipartisanship but already planning to sign a partisan bill to fill the void the bipartisan measure leaves in place.

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Meanwhile, the rest of Biden’s agenda, from voting rights to gun control, now looks very unlikely to get anywhere in Congress. If lawmakers can barely achieve a bipartisan moment with infrastructure spending — which once was, as Biden noted last week, a common source of bipartisan consensus — it’s unlikely more contentious legislation stands a chance.


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So, are you telling me that hyper-partisanship will deliver more in the long run than bi-partisanship?

As much fun as I've had hating my neighbors and former friends over their political beliefs, I'm okay with the current deal-making going on. Do it a dozen times over and it might become the norm again.

Republicans alone never delivered an infrastructure package. Democrats alone couldn't do it. It's a sad little pissant infrastructure package compared to the magnificent legislation proposed by Democrats. But could it be a start towards healing the nation?


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Compromise or stand on principle. This poll is old, but the newest one I have.

The 18% who think leaders should stick to their principles is a new low
28% take a neutral position on the issue
44% of Republicans and 62% of Democrats favor compromise

https://news.gallup.com/poll/220265/americans-favor-compromise-things-done-washington.aspx

Gallup had done this on a yearly basis, I suppose they ceased. Now this is kind of a long slide show, but interesting nonetheless.

Compromise in an age of party polarization

https://www.colorado.edu/outreach/o...u_on_the_weekend_-_compromise_slides.pdf


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