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Yesterday, a Reddit thread about whether Costco would close in the future on Juneteenth sparked a discussion. The OP "Mike" is very pro-Juneteenth stating that slavery is "America's original sin" and that a closed warehouse (paid day off from work) would allow families to honor the end to American's past history of slavery.

The thread is commented on by Costco Members and Costco Employees - all anonymous The thing that I want to point out is all of Mike's comments have been downvoted where some are in the negative territory (as of this writing here on RR).

WTF? Hmm

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Lots of stores are open on holidays, so it's pretty silly to take offense at Costco deciding to be open then. There is plenty of other stuff they can do to honor the holiday. Like a Juneteenth sale. A Juneteenth flyer for their members. Maybe some of their Black customers will want to go buy food and such for a Juneteenth picnic!

I plan on flying my rainbow flag on the 28th. If there is a recognized Juneteenth flag by next year, I will fly it on the 19th.

And of course there is still racism in America. One of the mainstream political parties is all about racism, both as a means of manipulating their racist base, and because of their leaders' inherent beliefs.


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Most stores around my area are open on all holidays. Although on a couple holidays like Christmas, the hours are cut back. Most stores use the holidays to have sales. About the only thing you can count on is banks and government offices being closed. Pretty everything else is business as usual.

Now I haven't the faintest idea whether these stores pay double time or not when they're open on holidays. Holidays just don't have the meaning anymore that they once did. I think you have to be old to remember when most stores were closed on holidays, going back 50-60 years.

Cosco staying open on Juneteenth is no big deal, most other stores stay open on the holidays. At least around here. Home Depot is closed on Christmas, but has regular hours for every other holiday, Sams which I think is akin to Cosco is closed only on Christmas, Thanksgiving and Easter.

The bottom line is I see nothing sinister about Cosco being open Juneteenth.


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Lots of stores are open on holidays, so it's pretty silly to take offense at Costco deciding to be open then. There is plenty of other stuff they can do to honor the holiday.
Actually Costco management hasn't decided one way or the other.

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Like a Juneteenth sale.
As the OP the reddit thread wrote
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, "....juneteenth is hardly a "Linen Sale" holiday. It's more significant than that."
I agree. The end of slavery in the US ought to be celebrated and remembered and honored and equal to, and on par with, 4th of July. Hmm

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And of course there is still racism in America. One of the mainstream political parties is all about racism, both as a means of manipulating their racist base, and because of their leaders' inherent beliefs.
Are you talking about Tucker Carlson? Tucker can't even make a fool of himself without being douchey. It's as if he's mocking you for watching his show.

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Originally Posted by perotista
Most stores around my area are open on all holidays. Although on a couple holidays like Christmas, the hours are cut back. Most stores use the holidays to have sales. About the only thing you can count on is banks and government offices being closed. Pretty everything else is business as usual.
Costco literally closes their warehouses and pays their employees for the day off as straight time for: New Years Day, Easter, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas.

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Cosco staying open on Juneteenth is no big deal
Social Justice for black Americans is simply not in your wheel house. I get that. I don't think it will ever be, quite frankly. Hmm

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Perhaps not, not in the sense whether a store stays open or closed on any particular holiday is a big deal. Not when most others are open regardless of the holiday.

Cosco is closed on Memorial day. They're probably about the only one. As a military man I wouldn't hold it against them if they were open, as I don't hold it against any other store.

It seems to me that the civilian world and the military have different concepts on this social justice thing or shall I say race. Civilians seems fixated on it one way or the other. After 21 years active duty and another 26 years working for the Army as a department of the army civilian, most military aren't. We don't ask what race or religion someone is who has one's back. It's totally irrelevant. We, even retired are family regardless of race, comrades in arms, brothers and sisters in uniform.

For the most part, we don't give race much thought if any. You ever went to a PX or commissary, you'd be shocked at seeing all the mix race marriages and mix kids. The military has had a few racists, but once identified, out they go. Regardless of race or religion, it's private or sergeant or Captain or General, yes sir and no sir. Race is totally irrelevant.

Perhaps the military is a million miles closer to MLK's dream of judging a person by his the content of his character instead of his skin than civilians are. The military isn't perfect, but we constantly working on it. We also don't judge how a person thinks, does or acts in regard to race relations pro or con on whether or not Cosco is open or closed.

But, this is America and that my non-military friend is your privilege. But you may be right, social justice for blacks isn't in our wheelhouse. We're too busy taking care of family, the military family where the color of one's skin is irrelevant. They're all family. Probably a concept civilians will never get.


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It feels as if you're discounting the end of slavery as if it's no big deal, perotista. That's your prerogative. You're in the majority in that regard as evident by thee Reddit thread linked into the original post. THAT is the whole point of this thread. Hmm


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I don't discount it, I place it in the context of the times in which it took place. Actually slavery existed in some form from the rise of humans until Niger in 2003 and Mauritania in 2007 finally made slavery a crime.

In 1776 when this country declared its independence, it wouldn't be founded until after the war and some will say it wasn't founded until the Constitution was ratified as the Articles of Confederation didn't bind the colonies together. Slavery was legal and mostly practiced by at least 80% of the countries of the world. In other words, it was normal practice during that time period, the norm. By 1865, you have around 50% or a bit more countries still practicing the institution of slavery in some form or another.

It was that period between 1776 and 1865 that the abolition of slavery really picked up steam. It was led by the countries of Europe as most countries outside of Europe still practiced it.

You did have strange things happen prior to 1865, like Russia abolishing slavery, but replacing it with serfdom. Portugal prohibiting the slavery of the Chinese, but leaving all others subject to slavery. Spain abolishing prisoners of war from slavery in Chili, then abolishing slavery of native Americans, but retaining the slavery of blacks. China passed a law limiting the number of slaves a family could have and the list goes on.

I always believed one can never understand history, understand why and how events in history happen unless history is placed into the context of the times it happened. One can't understand history looking back at earlier events and happenings through 21st century eyes. The norms, standards, morality was different.

Putting slavery or any other event, happening into the context of the times it happen doesn't mean condoning. It just brings events and happening into their proper context and perhaps a better understanding as to the whys and wherefore's.

You'll find out that a lot of things in the past that was viewed as normal, we view as abhorrent today. There will be a lot of things we do today that will be viewed as abhorrent by those in the future. Context is everything.

No, I prefer to live in and associate with my color blind military family. If you want to continue to judge folks by the color of their skin, that's your privilege. I prefer Joe and Fred or Sergeant and Captain.

But you're probably right in the way I view things. What happened in the past, happened. There's nothing I can do about that. Now I can continue to try to make the world today a better place or I can live in the past. Although at times I certainly do. Or wish for the way things were in the past like going back to a previous political era where polarization, the great divide and the mega, ultra partisanship didn't exist or was very limited.

No, I don't worry about things I can't do anything about or help in some form or another. But if I can help, I do. I don't worry about WWIII or the Super Volcano at Yellowstone erupting, nothing I can do about them.


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In regards to Costco...if they are closed on all other Federal holidays except Juneteenth yet boycott adding this one then I see a problem.

New Year's Day (January 1).
Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. (Third Monday in January).
Washington's Birthday (Third Monday in February).
Memorial Day (Last Monday in May).
Independence Day (July 4).
Labor Day (First Monday in September).
Columbus Day (Second Monday in October).
Veterans Day (November 11).
Thanksgiving Day (Fourth Thursday in November).
Christmas Day (December 25).

And of course you would expect white people to be uninterested in this holiday because it isn't about them, particularly conservative white people...

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Here's the list of holidays cosco is closed.

Our U.S. warehouses are closed on the following holidays:

New Year’s Day
Easter Sunday
Memorial Day
Independence Day
Labor Day
Thanksgiving
Christmas

https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/701/~/what-are-costcos-holiday-closures%3F

That's 6 out of 12 federal holidays, Easter isn't a federal holiday.

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Christmas and Easter are Chrisitan Religious holidays.

Costco's Corp offices are closed on MLK day...but the warehouses are open. The employees get a "float day" for MLK - which means they can take any day off they wish within two weeks prior to the MLK or two weeks after MLK - along with their normal two days off, for a a total of three days off that week.


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How about if Costco offered free "trial" admission for people of color on June 19th? A form of corporate reparations!


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Christmas and Easter are Chrisitan Religious holidays.

But Christmas, unlike Easter, is also a Federal holiday.

Corporations do not owe anybody a day off on any day of the year.


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Yep, proven through our history. We have, for instance, attacked and slaughtered; Chinese, Native Americans, Blacks. We have also attacked the Irish and Germans with some vigor as well. We, basically, don't like anybody that isn't us.

Oh, then we have promises not kept. We demonstrate this one when we take our army to a foreign country to 'help' them as we always need some of the helped to help us. In Iraq I think the latest toll is something like 250,000 civilians dead which included several interpreters as well (we tend to abandon any and all interpreters except for an exclusive few). I don't know our toll on the people In Afghanistan but I betcha its in the thousands. Our current government doesn't have the time to let all 18,000 people into America, who we used as interpreters, or otherwise supported us over the Taliban which, basically, means they will be slaughtered by the Taliban. Then there is our abandonment of Vietnamese who got to go to Vietnamese communist schools to learn or die learning the communist way. We abandoned entire Vietnamese tribes that choose us over they commies. Oh, then there are the Kurds we abandoned as well. In other words, when we set out to 'help' another country we are absolutely great at getting them abandoned and dead. What continues to amaze me is that everytime to take our army into another country we can always find suckers willing to sacrifice their lives to 'help' us 'help' them!

An interesting point in the Afghanistan war is that we put the most corrupt government we could find in power and stuck with them whilst bribing everybody in site at the same time, thereby assuring Afghanistan of a government neither trusted supported by the Afghans themselves.

Anyway, actually we are not a kindly people We also don't like anybody who doesn't behave and look like us. Not only that when we 'help' a nation we tend to leave a lot of ruins, and dead friends, in our wake.

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Originally Posted by Greger
Corporations do not owe anybody a day off on any day of the year.
In 2021 they do.

Companies are measured by fuzzy, wuzzy metrics these days such a good citizen stewardship, how much they pay attention to the environment, how much they contribute to social fabric of their community, employee satisfaction.

The world has changed a lot since you retired Greger. smile


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Originally Posted by jgw
Yep, proven through our history. We have, for instance, attacked and slaughtered; Chinese, Native Americans, Blacks. We have also attacked the Irish and Germans with some vigor as well. We, basically, don't like anybody that isn't us.
How has the US attacked the Irish? Hmm

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Oh, then we have promises not kept. We demonstrate this one when we take our army to a foreign country to 'help' them as we always need some of the helped to help us. In Iraq I think the latest toll is something like 250,000 civilians dead which included several interpreters as well (we tend to abandon any and all interpreters except for an exclusive few).
You can thank Scooter Libby and DICK Cheney's rewriting intel assessment for THAT!

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An interesting point in the Afghanistan war is that we put the most corrupt government we could find in power and stuck with them whilst bribing everybody in site at the same time, thereby assuring Afghanistan of a government neither trusted supported by the Afghans themselves.
Sounds like a plan that a Republican would come up with. coffee

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Anyway, actually we are not a kindly people.


Bow (although white, conservative, middle-class and above would disagree and say we've been very kind to people. Hmm )

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We also don't like anybody who doesn't behave and look like us. Not only that when we 'help' a nation we tend to leave a lot of ruins, and dead friends, in our wake.
It says right in the Constitution that baby Jesus helped write, that if these people who need our help are not white and Christian, then it is our God-given American right not to have to like them. laugh


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US policy supported the English keeping the Irish as their surfs for a long time. Then when Irish folks emigrated to America, they found a huge number of "Irish Need Not Apply" signs below "Help Wanted".


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I was told, by a great grandmother, that when they came over from the Irish famine that here were signs in every store that "Irish need not apply" and other such. Oh, as an aside. The Irish Famine took place when the landlords choose to export all the food for the money rather than feeding the lowly. Seems greed pretty much ALWAYS wins!

We can thank ourselves for not keeping our word when it comes to helping those who helped us. Its a long and troubled thing of making promises to help and then it not happening. You can talk to just about anybody who has served for that one.

That was originally setup by George W Bush and supported by both parties after that.

I don't really understand the Baby Jesus thing.

Oh - Nice try!

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"America is not a racist country."
-- Nimrata Nikki Haley, who doesn't use her first name because Republicans would be less likely to vote for someone who doesn't pass as white.


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As far as I can tell EVERYBODY (including President Biden) is in favor of bringing Afghans who have worked for us to safety in America instead of leaving them to the Taliban. It also seems that we are out of there in, I think, something like two week, which means that there is no way our bureaucracy can get that job done in less than multiple months. This, in spite of the fact that we have known, for months that this was coming.

This is, yet again, another prime example of the United States being utterly unable to keep their word. What I don't understand is why ANYBODY would believe anything we say! Instead, I guess, our leaders, and bureaucracy, are simply unable to function. I also suspect that pretty soon we will be treated with huge airplanes trying to load thousands of terrified Friends of America and fly them someplace, kinda like the Viet Nam disaster. also think its interesting that there have already been thousands of them bleeding through their borders before the slaughter begins.

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The latest scam is to find another country where they can all go, besides America. I suppose there are some pretty desolate parts of South Argentina we could lease cheap, that might be somewhat like Afghanistan. Just colder. The key strategy indeed is to take so long to make any decision, the Taliban has murdered them all. Then there won't be anybody to relocate.

Or maybe they would like to go live with the Kurds, who we screwed over in a similar manner.


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On PBS News Hour, the discussion said 17K Afghan translators need immediate relocating due to the Taliban. Relocate these good folks in Red States. Rightwingers love patriots....so they say. coffee

Oh wait...Rightwingers hate the browns. shocked


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They used to love the police, too. Until they decided they needed to bash some of the Capital Police in the head.


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It dawns on me that the inability of the United States to keep its word just might extend to them that vote them into power here in the United States. Have no idea if there is any connection at all. Probably not, otherwise one might think that we would change our ways here as kindofa start on working on the problem with our word.

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