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The old adage of follow the money. Since 1960 the presidential candidate with the most money won with two exceptions. 1964 where Goldwater outspent LBJ 20-18 million and in 2016 when Hillary outspent Trump 1.191 billion to 646.8 million.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

14 billion was spent on 2020 elections, not counting the two Georgia runoffs in January 2021.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/10/cost-of-2020-election-14billion-update/

We voters are just a necessary evil in this political game, pawns to be moved around the chess board. These moneyed elites are very good at making us think we decide elections, we have a say, that we can make a difference. Baloney,

I know the moneyed elites control our election process and usually the outcomes. But I like everyone else continue to operate like I don't.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Trump's spending was not an indication of the amount he would have spent if he actually ever paid his bills. He probably contracted for a lot more than Hilary, and then just stiffed a lot of people, companies, and local governments. He's supposed to go visit the border wall in El Paso, but El Paso wants their goddamned money from one of his previous rallies.


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
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I know the moneyed elites control our election process and usually the outcomes. But I like everyone else continue to operate like I don't.

Bernie Sanders almost broke the glass ceiling. An independent, a non-partisan; a swing voter, if you will. A candidate who was an American first and A Democrat in name only.

America made its choice.

Biden.

Old "status quo Joe"


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A Democrat in name only that voted for the democratic party line more than any other democratic senator except one. I would say Sanders is an independent in name only, he even caucuses with the democrats. Caucusing with one or the other party eliminates the independent status. Sanders has chosen a side as has King.

Both Sanders and King are counted as democrats in most reports, which is why it is reported you have a 50-50 senate, 50 republicans, 50 democrats. Not 50-48-2.

Of course it's all semantics anyway.


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Yep, they chose the Democrat over the Socialist. Bernie, basically, lost because he insisted on being a Socialist instead of running as a Socialist in the American Socialist party! (which is NOT the Socialist party) The Democratic party is loaded with a bunch of Socialists who insist on using that title whilst running in the Democratic party. They are, basically, destroying the Democratic party rather than joining the American Socialist party.

This one just makes to no sense to me!

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It's perfectly understandable and makes all the sense in the world. Americans would never elect a socialist. At least not in the near future. Now they will elect Republicans and Democrats. If you're a socialist, running as a socialist, only 45% of all Americans would consider voting for you. That means 55% wouldn't under any circumstances. Of that 45% who would consider voting for a socialist, the key word is consider, that doesn't mean they would.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx

Then under our two party system, it is designed not to give any other party outside of republicans and democrats a chance of winning. Republicans and Democrats write our election laws and they do so as a mutual protection act. If there's one thing each major party agrees on, it's no viable third party will ever rise to challenge them.

A socialist running as a democrat is a no brainier. As far as I can tell, see, find is that the socialist party made it onto just one state ballot for 2020, New Mexico. You're not going to win the presidency being on only one state ballot. Democrats are on all 50 states and D.C. as are Republicans. Democrats and Republicans are automatically ballot qualified in all 50 states. Every other third party has to jump through a million and one hoops just to get on the ballot.

https://ballotpedia.org/Socialist_Party_USA


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Yes, it's easy to dismiss the non partisan, independent, American before partisan candidates as nothing but IINOs...

Don't be sayin' you wish things would change when you keep voting for the same people.

At least the conservatives took a shot at the moon and elected Trump.

You chose Biden. A mediocre old politician with his feet planted firmly in the past and his eye on yesterday. I hear he's slipped in the polls among democrats but has risen among republicans.

Bernie represented change. America isn't ready yet, but it will be soon.

Biden's Waterloo might be the drought out west. We might be seeing the beginnings of another dust bowl....


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I'd put inflation on top of drought. Maybe even the border. Actually Biden has an overall job performance approval rating of 52% as of 21 June. He's been between 52-55% ever since inauguration day.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

which is unusual to have a range that small for that length of time. Democrats give Biden a 95% approval rating with a range of 92-98. The 98% was 30 Jan, 10 days into his presidency. Republicans give Biden an 11% approval with a range between 8-12%. that 12% happened back on 21 Apr, the 8% on 18 May. So Biden has improved his rating from Republicans from 8 to 11% since May. Independents as of 21 June give Biden a 55% overall approval rating. They ranged from 50-61%. It is my view Biden is still benefiting from not being Trump and still is in the honeymoon phase with independents.

I have no regrets of choosing Biden over Trump. I suppose I could have voted for Johnson as I did in both 2012 and 2016. But the goal was to get rid of Trump, mission accomplished.

For me, the overall job approval rating doesn't mean much until we get within a month or two of an election. The usual rule of thumb is if a president has an approval rating of above 50% come election time, his party does well, below 50%, his party loses seats, sometimes a huge amount of seats.

Midterm results and approval ratings

2018 Trump had an approval of 38% and his party lost 44 seats.
2014 Obama had an approval of 42% and his party lost 12 house seats and control of the senate losing 9 seats.
2010 Obama had an approval rating of 44% and his party lost 63 house seats
2006 Bush had an approval of 38% and his party lost 33 house seats and 6 senate seats giving the Democrats control of both the house and the senate.
2002 Bush had an approval rating of 65% and his party gained 8 seats

and so it goes. Approval rating within a month of an election is always a good indication of how that election will go.


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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

And yet when one comes along you find every excuse not to vote for him.

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Of course not, I was talking about the primaries! When you found the non partisan to be far too radical because he might have made some changes...the very changes you want to have made. But he's not a partisan and unworthy of your vote.

If it had been Bernie you'd have likely swung to Trump because at least he isn't a socialist.

By the way, Buffalo is poised to elect a socialist mayor.


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What Buffalo does, Buffalo does. Since I can't vote in Buffalo, who they elect is totally and 100% up to them. If they like a socialist, I'm fine with that. I think each city and state ought to be left alone to vote for whoever they want with no, absolutely no outside interference. This also goes to the tons of money that pour into states from out of state.

My reference is those party animals who put their party first and high above the country. Where the R and or the D is much more important than the big A, America. Sanders is right in there with the other D's. He's no independent, all one has to do is look at his voting record and which party he ran in for the presidency. I'd expect an independent, well to be independent of both major parties, not caucusing with one, not voting one party's party line all the time. Yes, independent in name only certainly applies to Sanders. Under his unassuming mantle of independent, he's just another die hard progressive Democrat.

There's a certain ideological compatibility within all of us when it comes to voting. I'm certainly not a progressive and neither am I a far right conservative. Although I'll support some of the progressive's agenda and some of the conservative agenda depending on what that agenda is and if I think that part of their agenda helps.

I can call myself anything I want, but my actions and deeds will determine what I actually am.

Since here in Georgia we just register to vote, no party registration, I can pick and choose which primary to vote in. The only stipulation is that if there is a runoff, I can't vote in that runoff if the runoff is of the other party I didn't choose to vote in. The runoff must be in the party or primary I originally voted it.

And yes, I voted for Biden in the Democratic Georgia Primary. He seemed like the best candidate to defeat Trump which in fact he did. Look at the numbers, Trump would have beaten Sanders, probably fairly easily. Probably we had a matter of different priorities and goals. My goal was to get rid of Trump, yours may have been to get the Sanders the nomination. The numbers showed Biden was the best Democratic Candidate to do that at the time of the Georgia democratic primary.


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