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are the Lefties on a similar insane tragictory?

Not from my viewpoint as a lefty. Our struggle is for equality and justice for every race, creed, and sexual orientation. We want equality and justice for right wingers too.

Rightwingers mostly just want us dead.


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both parties think the other is out to destroy America
A false equivalence.

Make a list of what one party thinks the other is doing to destroy America .... if you can demonstrate the lists are equivalent, I will reconsider my position. An example ... how does guaranteeing everyone is equal destroy America? Legalization of discrimination does destroy the very fabric of the foundations of America.

You may be looking for rationalizations of something which is unsupportable.


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I was referring to a bunch of Hispanics who did not support the Democratic candidates because they thought that they would take away their jobs! that could only have happened if those candidates were completely clueless about those they wanted to vote for them. There is one sure way to lose voters and that is to threaten their jobs and the Dems, apparently, did that!

If you threaten jobs then all the promises of all the good things you are going to give them just goes up in smoke. Somebody might point that out to the Dems. I have tried and been duly ignored. I remembered when, in 2016 my wife was working for the Dems. She asked them for a sign to put on her lawn and they wanted 35.00 for the sign. She quite working for the Dems. The town was loaded with Trump signs - there were no Hillary signs. Hillary lost.

One has to think that the Dems spend a lot of time figuring out clever ways to lose.

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I think the poll which pointed out

A deeper dive finds that 37% of Republicans feel Biden voters are the biggest enemy, just edging the 34% who feel that way about China. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats think Trump voters are the biggest threat, far and above the danger posed by all the others.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...voters_see_each_other_as_america_s_enemy

It shows the deep partisan effect of what those highly partisans think. Number one enemy, biggest enemy, same, same. Biggest threat, destroy, same, same.

This shows what a big chunk of each party thinks, views the other party. 20 or so years ago, no pollster would even think about asking this question. Actually 20 years ago, Lott and Daschle came up with a power sharing agreement for a 50-50 senate tie. My how times have change.

https://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/05/senate.powershare/index.html

Now if I have a hankering for the past, this is the past as far as politics go I want to replace today's modern era politics of polarization, the great divide and the mega, ultra high partisanship. If Lott and Daschle can accomplish this, there's no reason it can't be done today. That is if party leaders were willing.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Republicans feel Biden voters are the biggest enemy
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Democrats think Trump voters are the biggest threat,

Gee I am not typing about feelings or ruminations .... please post the precise policies which will destroy America from each. I gave you an example and OMG there are plenty of Republican examples and if you actually believe what you typed, you should be able to provide an equivalent list to demonstrate the claim Democrats are destroying America.

Feelings .... that's what Limbaugh used to say about liberals .... all about emotions


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Not my job, I'm not a partisan one way or the other. I keep track of these things. I don't defend Republicans, I don't defend Democrats. Now if I were one or the other I probably would launch into a tirade about the other party. I'm not. I want to see how these things effect elections and why the two major parties can't even cooperate on things they agree on let alone compromise to an outcome neither likes on things they disagree on. which 20 or so years ago was more the norm than an aberration.

I just post what I see, in this case how a large chunk of each major party views the other as an enemy, a threat to the nation. How you take is entirely up to you.

What I find sad is that so many view their political opponents as enemies. But I wasn't surprised, not in today's modern political era of polarization, the great divide and mega, ultra high partisanship. Here's something else I found interesting.

Why The Two-Party System Is Effing Up U.S. Democracy

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-two-party-system-is-wrecking-american-democracy/

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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The answer to this is pretty simple, and the end is coming soon...or perhaps the beginning of the end.

Mitch McConnell. The only genuine political genius of our time.

And his race is almost run.

There's no one waiting in the wings. He hoards power like a dragon hoards gold.


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Feelings .... that's what Limbaugh used to say about liberals .... all about emotions
Yes, yes...bleeding heart liberals vs rock ribbed republicans.

I've been asking for years for any example of republican policy or legislation which has helped American working families.

The party is 100% invested in the tinkle down myth. But they keep any actual tinkling down from happening...


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Not my job, I'm not a partisan one way or the other.
Yikes

So when you presented the stats with the claim, which shows both sides equally think/feel/emote the other side is destroying America, I have to infer you concluded that means neither side is trying to destroy America, and it is all baloney. Double yikes!!!!

My question to you was as a teacher to a student, you being a student of politics, to support your conclusion with a factual analysis.

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What I find sad is that so many view their political opponents as enemies.
I suppose as I read the DoI you would have concluded George III was not the enemy but some misunderstood royal.

It's real ... it's happening now ... and it's not about my feelings ... it's about policies and their effect on the institutions of democracy. You can stand by with a page full of stats which claim there would be no insurrection or listen to people who waiting for the storm. They are THE BASE, and they have extorted elected officials into doing their will, which is not to maintain democracy but destroy and place Mr Trump at the helm of the New America.


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Look on me as a reporter reporting on or providing the statistical numbers being reported. The numbers are that 37% of Republicans feel Biden voters are the biggest enemy, 35% of Democrats think Trump voters are the biggest threat. The whys and wherefores weren't included. Just the numbers, the percentages of each party who think the other party is this nation's number one enemy.

I'm sure Democrats think their justified in thinking that just as Republicans feel justified from their side of the aisle. Although the numbers weren't given in the article, you had this sentence, Voters not affiliated with either major party rate China, Biden voters and Trump voters all equal as threats.So one's partisan view point comes to the fore.

What you have here is the feelings of America broke down into party groups. When you combine all the numbers to America as a whole, nationwide without party affiliation, you have 24% who think Biden voters are America’s biggest enemy, The same number (24%) see China as enemy number one. 22% regard Trump voters as the biggest enemy, while 10% view Russia and seven percent 7% North Korea as the largest threat to the United States.

Now how you take this is entirely up to you. But what it tells me is our modern political era of polarization, the great divide and the mega ultra high partisanship is growing to a point where it us vs. them. Where one of isn't of the same political party becomes hated to a point where we'll have violence and riots in the streets from the losing party who thinks they're defending America and her ideals. Trying to stop the other party from destroying her.

It's to a point where each party views the other as out to destroy this country. Right, wrong or indifferent, that just the way it is. From a Democrats point of view, it's the Republican Party, from a Republicans point of view, it's the Democrats. From a good many independents, it's both.

numbers, figures, stats. from all of America, America as a whole, not just one party or one group. All.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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