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I'm not ready to give Trump credit for establishing anything that could be called "Trumpism"
I somehow sense we are not meaning the same thing, while using the same words.

For me Trumpism is not an ideology, or set of principles. What I mean is just as the Republican platform stated, "whatever Mr Trump said". Trumpism is the voice of all those aggrieved, sociological dissonance, who live in a rage they have been left behind (and I believe they have been) who represent a group of people who delusionally believe the world should be as they want it to be, and can not adapt to what it really is. Mr Trump represents (only because he is a consummate media master, who recognizes which people will heap praise on him) the bigotry and racism of a lost Southern culture and religious fundamentalists who believe only their brand of religion should be the basis of America.
I see as the only tenets of Trumpism is an effort to assuage the rage and bigotry, whatever they may be. This is done solely to "earn" praise from these poor ignorant people.

This has no resemblance to political ideology.


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I would say Trump has no political ideology or philosophy. Trump is all about Trump and nothing more. The 7 time party switcher has adopted whichever party's ideology, philosophy, agenda he happened to belong to at the time. He really believes in nothing but himself, political wise that is.

To put it mildly, Trump is totally devoid of a political philosophy or ideology. But Trump has the ability to get his avid followers to believe in him as he is the champion of whatever political philosophy they think he has and stands for.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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A lot of Trump's followers all share the assumption they "are better" than people of color, non-Christians, people from other countries, or who speak other languages. It's a heady mix of American Exceptionalism, racism, and bigotry. They are desperate to believe they are richer, morally superior, and blessed with heavenly grace, despite seeing examples every day that contradict those assumptions. Politicians like President Obama. Rich beloved professional athletes of color. Great Christian leaders like MLK. The list goes on and on.

It's getting bad now because of the inevitable change of demographics. Soon there won't be a White majority in America. There may already be too few Republicans to maintain minority rule. Scary, if you are one of them. And now the Delta variant is coming from India, the scariest country on Earth for these folks: Black people with nuclear weapons! Different country, different race, different religions, different languages...

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Here's something to think about.

Progressives' Urgent Question: How to Win Over Voters of Color

https://www.yahoo.com/news/progressives-urgent-win-over-voters-154409501.html

There's a reason Trump received the highest black vote, 12% of any Republican presidential candidate going back to 1976 when Ford received 15%. With the exception of G.W. Bush in 2000 and 2004, G.W. spoke Spanish, Trump's 32% of the Hispanic vote was the most received of any Republican presidential candidate since Reagan in 1984 who received 37%.

Percentage of the vote broke down via race to see if we have a trend going.
Whites,2012 Romney 59%, 2016 Trump 57%, 2020 Trump 58%
Blacks 2012 Romney 6%, 2016 Trump 8%, 2020 Trump 12%
Hispanics 2012 Romney 27%, 2016 Trump 28%, 2020 Trump 32%
Asian 2012 Romney 26%, 2016 Trump 27%, 2020 Trump 34%

Perhaps, just relying on demographics isn't the guarantee that the democrats think it is. It may be, but I suppose time will tell. Yeah, interesting article for those who read it.

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Last night we were watching the 11th hour. They showed people just leaving the last Trump rally. LOTS of them were leaving right in the middle of a Trump rant! That, I expect, tells us all something?

Perhaps his watchers are tired of it all? If I remember correctly he has lost viewers before and, apparently, it just might be happening again.

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I think if the GOP is going to have any success in the 2022 midterms, they must get beyond Trump. From all the numbers I've been able to scan, what's holding the fragile coalition of a slight majority of Independents with the Democratic Party is Trump.

If Trump were to disappear, one would expect historical precedence to show its head. With independents that is usually aligning themselves with the party out of power during the midterms. Trump so far has negated that as close to 60% of independents don't like him. Here's the midterm votes and breakdown for independents.

2018 54-42 Democratic, Democrats gain 44 house seats and 3 senate seats regaining control of congress.
2014 54-42 Republican, Republicans regain the senate with a net gain of 9 seats and add 13 house seats
2010 56-37 Republican, Republicans gain 63 house seats and regain control of the house
2006 57-39 Democratic, Democrats regain congress, the GOP loses 33 house seats and 6 senate seats.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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There's a reason Trump received the highest black vote, 12% of any Republican presidential candidate going back to 1976 when Ford received 15%.

And what might that reason be?

I suspect Black Affluenza. Once you go deeper than skin color you find that greed is present in all cultures. The Republican Party is the party of greed, the party of wealth. Is it the top 10% of Black earners showing their exploitive conservatism?

We know that Kanye West was a Trumper. We know he is a billionaire.


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I really don't know. But I suspect it might be folks just getting tired of being told what is best for them by others.They want to decide for themselves.

Perhaps an example was right here in Georgia. Not the best example, but it may fit some. Back in the late 1990's when Zell Miller was governor there was to be a referendum on changing the state flag, removing the stars and bars. It seems to have a majority of Georgian's supporting it. Then we got tons of protesters from out of state demanding we change our own state flag. Money poured in from out of state for a bunch of TV and radio ads. We finally got our hackles up at being told by others what we should do, we decided it was our decision and not those from out of state. The Referendum failed. It was Georgian's decision, not out of staters.

Then in 2004 with little fanfare, no protests from out of staters the flag was changed and changed fairly quietly. Perhaps the moral of the story is let the people decide what is best for them, not having someone else tell them what is best for them.

Of course that may not be the reason, it may be because more blacks are moving out of the cities into the suburbs and becoming more affluent and thus more attracted to the GOP.

What's interesting to me is the president who white liberals think was the racist president ever, that president received the most Black votes this side of Gerald Ford. Percentage wise that is.

The bottom line is your SWAG is as good as my SWAG or any other's SWAG.


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I really don't know. But I suspect it might be folks just getting tired of being told what is best for them by others. They want to decide for themselves.

And so they decided(all by themselves) that re-electing Donald Trump was best for them...?

Hard to fathom. Were they afraid of the vaccination and wanted it stopped? Were they against wearing masks? Against the shutdown when Blacks were dropping like flies? Were they just tied up in white identity politics and resentful of Democrats trying to hrlp Blacks to the exclusion of white people?

Was it the talk of defunding the police? A slogan coined by a Black extremist to save Black lives? Socialism maybe? Against the Black Lives Matter movement? Antifa?

Or were they mis-lead by Trump's lies...? He lobbied hard for Black votes.

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You may have hit on it a week or two ago when you said, now I'm paraphrasing, that these groups aren't monolithic. I think each individual has a reason for voting the way they do, even if the way they vote goes against group think.

I'm going to keep an eye on how these different groups vote in 2022 to see if the trend continues or if it was an aberration. But your SWAG is as good as mine. Keep in mind now, we have a candidate in Adams leading so far in the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York City who campaigned as tough on crime, giving the police more money and expanding the police force.

Perhaps it may have been talk about Defunding the police. Here from the article, poll.

A new poll by Ipsos and USA Today shows that less than 20 percent of respondents support the “defund the police” movement, with 58 percent opposing it.

The poll also suggested low support among Democrats and Black Americans for the movement.

Just 28 percent of Black respondents and 34 percent of Democrats backed the campaign, according to the poll.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/542108-poll-finds-only-18-percent-support-defund-the-police

Perhaps the majority regardless of race want the police in their community or neighborhood to deter crime and arrest those who commit the crime? Maybe they didn't like extremist? Maybe they didn't like their homes and businesses being burned by the riots that followed and a takeover of a city center. Whole bunch of maybe's, I know.

Honestly, I just don't know, hence all the maybe's. Perhaps the high vote of Hispanics in the border regions of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona for Trump is that they wanted the wall. Perhaps they viewed the wall as a way to stop the drugs and drug cartels from raising mayhem along the border in their towns and to stop illegals from committing crimes in their towns, area. I don't know.

All I know is more blacks voted for Trump than any other Republican presidential candidate since Gerald Ford. More Hispanics voted for Trump since Reagan in 1984 with G.W. Bush being the lone exception.

Maybe to understand the whys one must walk in their shoes, which is something neither I nor you can do.


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