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Why do we allow this? Politics always overrules public health?

Judge Blocks CDC Cruise Ship Rules

On one side we have the CDC with all their expertise on communicable disease and scientific planning, and on the other side we have Ron DeSantis and the Florida-based cruise ship companies. CDC comes up with rules that could make cruise ships relatively safe, and politics overrules them. And not even smart politics. The first American cruise since the pandemic started actually had two passengers who went positive for the virus once they were underway!

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I think that was the one that also had 8 crew members with positives as well. I also suspect this meant that those two were not vaccinated. I am having more and more problems with feeling bad about those with no vaccinations that get infected.

Oh, I also note that they are currently debating whether seniors should get booster shots. The current options are, Yes, No and Maybe! (at least they are trying all the bases). I have been trying to get an antibody test just to make sure my shots worked (apparently there may be problems with seniors and shots)

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Just call up Quest Diagnostics. They have blood drawing centers all over the US. For about $75 they have a doctor to order the test, draw your blood, and run a spike antibody test. That's the test you need to tell if your vaccines are working.

But the vaccines work pretty damned well. I don't think anybody needs to check unless they have immunosuppression like after a transplant or autoimmune disease. Researchers tested vaccinated people who were immunosuppressed after transplants. Many had SARS-COV2 antibodies already. Another bunch did respond well to a third vaccine. The ones with no T-cells at all did not. They would do well if they got Monoclonal Antibody Cocktail at the first sign of infection, but it's not cheap. But transplants are not cheap, either. Maybe saving a transplant patient is worth the cost.


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I suspect that we will be getting boosters before long which should do the job. Don't know when, not sure why, but its coming!

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Well, so much for the "lab-leak theory":

Australian Virologist Was At The Wuhan Lab in November 2019

She was working at the Wuhan virology lab, socialized with all the other virologists. saw nobody sick, and later tested negative for exposure. She also said that if anybody had Covid-19, she would have caught it, because they all spent time together.

Laurie Garrett, author of The Coming Plague was on TWIV (YouTube) last week. She was right in the middle of the SARS1 outbreak in China, and has spent years researching and writing about emerging viruses. She said EVERY SINGLE ONE of these events has had some sort of conspiracy theory that "explained" it. Usually involving the CIA! Like all conspiracy theories, they involve Rube Goldberg extra mechanisms that make them highly unlikely from the get go. Like hundreds or thousands of people that would have to keep secrets, or certain government entities doing something for no reason at all.

Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is where you should start investigating.

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I have noticed that there are a LOT of folks interested in where covid came from as a political rather than scientific question. Evidently it gives them comfort that they have an opportunity to blame somebody for covid instead of mother nature. Its really kinda interesting.

American, right now, is desperate to lay the blame but not exactly fix any problems. I wonder when its going to stop and we get back to taking care of business instead of the constant baloney we are currently being plagued with. right now, however, the loons, apparently, are in charge.

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The virologists on TWIV say the media doomsday stuff about the Delta variant is mostly BS. All the talk about R0 ignores the fact that it depends heavily on human behavior. If we all stop wearing mask and go out to bars, whatever variant is going around is going to have a very high R0. They also say there is zero evidence it is more virulent than other variants. When you get vaccinated, you develop a lot of antibodies to that particular variant the vaccine was designed for, but you also develop a much broader T-cell and B-cell immunity to all variants. You will very likely never notice if you get re-infected with the original variant, but those antibodies will fade over several months. Then you depend on T-cell and B-cell immunity that lasts years. You might get something like a cold, but never get seriously ill from any variant. Your "cold" will also give you a bunch of antibodies specifically against the variant you caught!

That's just how the immune system works.


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Saw the results of a decent-sized Ivermectin trial the other day. They decided it showed some benefits but not significant, but unfortunately they under-dosed and under-treated. US doctors who are successfully treating patients with ivermectin are using up to 400 ug per kg body weight daily until the patient recovers, which often take 5 or 6 days. The trial used 200 ug per kg for two days. Sooner or later, somebody is going to run one of these using the best procedure and get some usable results. But that will probably happen after some drug company patents something similar that costs 1000 times as much.


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The patients using ivermectin proved to be remarkably worm-free though.


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Yesterday I watched a report on one of the southern states. The legislature has, basically, removed the option to have vaccines, especially for kids up to 19. Apparently they felt that vaccinations are a fraud and they are going to save their voters from that fraud.

The question seems to becoming "why are the Trumpsters determined to kill off their own citizens AND their children?"

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