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jgw #334927 08/01/21 03:53 PM
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My basic thesis for the Democrats to win before they start running their mouths with desires, dreams, and all the rest - then have at it!
As I recall...Democrats won the last election. They have complete control Congress and the White House...should they choose to exercise it.

They have chosen instead to let Republicans determine which bills to vote for and which bills not to. As per the wishes of Manchin and Sinema.
Biden promised $15 an hour. He backed off that immediately and we will never hear another word of it. He promised a lot of things to progressive voters. He has already reneged on each and every one of them. M4A is DOA. Education and healthcare kicked to the side of the road. He is asking Republicans for permission before he does anything.

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The Democrats are experiencing yet another attack of their progressive wing. This time they have decided to wreck the infrastructure thing by insisting that they have their way, in all things. Oh, and on the way, put another nail in the coffin of the Democratic party for next year.

It's okay if they wreck the infrastructure thing.
Like the ACA it doesn't go far enough. It's already too little and too late. It's another can kicked down the road. Another piece of legislation that will put money into corporate pockets and make the working guys' life a little harder.

If the left doesn't hold Democrat's toes to the fire who will...???

The Right that's who.

Is that what you really want?


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The Dems won by the skin of their teeth by a whole vote in the senate and lost something like 5 seats in the house. Are you kidding? Oh, I see, you actually believe that winning by one, in the senate is actually winning? I gotta say, I envy your faith and wish you good health.

Dems have only created a new mess for themselves. They actually work very hard to either flat out lose or win by a hair. Apparently just flat out winning is unfair.

I just wished they would actually start to win. They got the ammunition but they just can't seem to pull the trigger. Instead they come up with crap like "Defund the Police" and lose. We have had arguments about words here several times. Usually those who don't get it are very proud of their cleverness and ignore the results.

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Actual results from Nov 2020, Democrats win the presidency, lose 13 house seats, 2 state legislatures, 1 governorship and gain 1 senate seat trailing the GOP in the senate 50-48. In Jan 2021, the Democrats picked up both Georgia senate seats for a 50-50 tie.

The Democrats were lucky due to Georgia having the unique runoff law of if no candidate receives 50% plus 1 vote, there will be a runoff. In any other state, Republicans, Perdue and Loffler would have won those seat in Nov without the runoff law letting the Republican maintain control of the senate.Even with ranked voting, the Libertarian candidate received 2.4% of the vote, both Republicans would have won in Nov without the runoff.

I like the runoff law. It's still in place and hasn't been tinkered with.

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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I prefer what we have in Washington state. We have a primary. The top two candidates, regardless of party then battle it out in the finals. Nothing complex, just straight on voting and the top two candidates face off.

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That's what is known as a jungle primary. Louisiana has had that for a few decades now. Here in Georgia, we use it for special elections. All candidates regardless of party are on the ballot. Then is no one receives 50% plus one vote, the top two go to a runoff.

We had that in our congressional district 6 a few years back and in a special senate race last year. I like it too.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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We are the third most populated country in the world. There are two that are bigger, in populace than we; China and India. Both hold approximately 3 times as many people as we. We have something like 360,000,000 people in America. I am not sure how, exactly, a nation can actually get that many people to agree on a single thing - just one single thing! Nations with a lot of people tend to have problems within. China does is it with a tight rein on its people and India is approaching that point right now. I wonder what would happen if the United States actually broke into two parts, probably north and south. That would leave each with a smaller population to deal with which, I suspect, would help in the virtual war that goes on, between the two, every day.

I suspect, in the end a division between the two would probably help the situation. I am equally convinced that should the US split then each nation would be determined to get the other under its sway.

so, wouldn't make an ounce of difference...........

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I think it would have worked out differently if the North had given all the property in the South to the former slaves and made every former slave-owner into a slave themselves, and all their progeny slaves for 100 years. Just a thought experiment


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
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I watched a show on how we finished up after winning the civil war. It was going fine until Lincoln bought the farm and then it kinda collapsed and now we get to live with that. I never understood it. My wife liked to travel down there and we would go to those little confederate 'museums' dedicated to the confederates and run by elderly women and I wondered just why they were there. It was, and probably still is, very strange. They actually built a story about the confederacy that many believe to this day.

jgw #334997 08/10/21 04:32 PM
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It was going fine until Lincoln bought the farm and then it kinda collapsed and now we get to live with that.

Lincoln didn't "buy the farm" he was murdered. Assassinated by a pro-South sympathizer.
It's a little-known fact that back in the day...vice presidents were chosen from the opposition. Lincoln's successor was not politically aligned with him and had an entirely different plan for the post-war South.

Lincoln might as well have handed the reins to Donald Trump.

What occurred was chaos. To the folks actually living through those times in the south, the pre-war days were far superior to the post-war days and so those good times became legendary.

That story has been passed down through the generations. Many still fall for it.


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"buy the farm" actually means he died in the line of duty and "murdered" is fine with me and you are flat out right about what happened.

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