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He was predicting as far back as the mid-Seventies that the agreements holding TV news to a "somewhat" objective standard were gossamer thin and could evaporate like morning dew.

So, television news had about 20 years of "somewhat" objective standards before human nature took over.

Before the government caved to the media moguls.

That's both a good thing and a bad thing. A government-controlled press is not a free press...even a government-regulated press is a slippery slope.

But there comes a point when corporate control of government becomes complete.

Corporate needs are not the needs of the people.


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Originally Posted by Greger
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He was predicting as far back as the mid-Seventies that the agreements holding TV news to a "somewhat" objective standard were gossamer thin and could evaporate like morning dew.

So, television news had about 20 years of "somewhat" objective standards before human nature took over.

Before the government caved to the media moguls.

That's both a good thing and a bad thing. A government-controlled press is not a free press...even a government-regulated press is a slippery slope.

But there comes a point when corporate control of government becomes complete.

Corporate needs are not the needs of the people.

Okay, what is?
If you're saying government regulated press is bad, and corporate owned and unregulated press is bad, you're basically saying nothing is good.
Of course a government CONTROLLED press isn't good but regulations exist for a reason.

Mass media prior to the Communications Act of 1934 was almost like handing the microphone to the lunatics in the asylum with Daddy Warbucks money.
Hate to say it but perfection doesn't exist, never has, and "somewhat objective" standards is better than what we have now...by a long shot.

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Hate to say it but perfection doesn't exist, never has, and "somewhat objective" standards is better than what we have now...by a long shot.
We never had better than what we have now. TV just didn't used to be a big part of the news.

We got our real news from newspapers back then.

You pointed out yourself that the system adopted during the early years of tv news was doomed from the start.

I've only pointed out that corporate greed is the problem in the news, in the government, in pretty much every facet of our lives.


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Hate to say it but perfection doesn't exist, never has, and "somewhat objective" standards is better than what we have now...by a long shot.
We never had better than what we have now. TV just didn't used to be a big part of the news.

We got our real news from newspapers back then.

You pointed out yourself that the system adopted during the early years of tv news was doomed from the start.

I've only pointed out that corporate greed is the problem in the news, in the government, in pretty much every facet of our lives.

I pointed out that we didn't go far enough in establishing concrete standards with law to back them up.
The Constitution would be easily applied if such an effort had ever been made.
The only logistical issue is the fact that taxpayers would have to fund or at least subsidize hard news operations instead of how we do it now.
And that's because we should never have relied on gentlemen's agreements about loss leader blueprints.

You're absolutely right about corporate greed, of course.
The answer to that is in the form of a question, albeit a rhetorical one:

How does America want to fund our news? Who do we want as the responsible party?
The obvious answer for a free people would be: The people themselves.

I think it's disingenuous to say TV was not a big part of news in the old days.
It was a smaller part in size but the impact of live color footage of news as it happened was something newspapers were never capable of.


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We have ignored our government. We pay more attention to grown men and women having hissing contests! WE are supposed to be in charge! We do that, evidently, by ignoring that very fact. We have allowed people to do a great job of separating the nation into virtual warring parties - one side with no leadership and the other autocratic. I keep on thinking somebody will put a stop to it but its great for the contestants! They no longer have time to do their job - they have IMPORTANT things to do!. The fact is that the majority deals with their goverment with "Screw the government, I don' like it anyway" attitude and it just gets worse. TV doesn't mention it, schools don't teach it, and majority don' give a damn anyway.

Maybe the problem is that we are too well off.

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What’s going on? Ironically, this growing illiberalism is not the product of bad times, but of a long trend of rising narcissism and a sense of entitlement that was enabled by peace, prosperity, and rapidly improving living standards. The United States and other democracies have real problems, but the rise of a sour and selfish abandonment of democracy is not happening because of social injustice or “economic anxiety.”

Worse, our democracy now practically must run on autopilot independently of a public that is happily and willfully ignorant of the issues and wants nothing to do with the dreary business of governing. And with increasing frequency, our form of government is under attack by bored working and middle-class citizens – led by clever political and television figures – who have no use for democracy other than as slogans and window-dressing around their need to be the constant center of their own reality show.


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Maybe the problem is that we are too well off.

Give that man a cigar! Too well off, and too stupid/reluctant to use our resources wisely.


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In California we are in the midst of a recall election to dump Governor Gavin Newsom (D). We just received mail ballots today, as has every registered voter in the state. Now before you go off on Republicans for wasting 276 million dollars, the constitutional laws about recalls mean they might actually win! Newsom has to get 50% +1 of the vote to keep the office. If he doesn't, then the leading candidate on the second part of the ballot wins. There are no Democrats on it. But the funny thing is nobody on the list is endorsed by either the Democratic or Republican Parties. Their is one endorsed Libertarian and one American Independent, conservative talk radio host Larry Elders. Plus about 100 other people from the unknown to celebrities.

The leader of them at the moment is Elders, who is under investigation for campaign funding violations. But if Newsome gets 49.9% of the vote, and Elders leads the pack with 5%, he becomes Governor! (There is a federal lawsuit going on that says this violate the Equal Protection Clause.) Now Governor Elders couldn't actually do much, because Democrats hold supermajorities in both houses of the California Legislature. But if a California federal senator dropped dead, he could appoint a Republican and shift control of the Senate. So it would be smart for those Democrats to immediately impeach him. Then Eleni Kounalakis, the Lieutenant Governor would succeed Elders.

The funny thing is she would get to nominate her new Lieutenant Governor, who the legislature could confirm by simple majority. That could be Gavin Newsome! Then she could resign, and he would be Governor once more. Then he could nominate her as his Lieutenant Governor, and the legislature confirm.


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A lot of fancy machinations to get right back where you started.

That whole system sounds ridiculous. But hey...I'm in Floriduh so who am I to talk.


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