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Pondering, your facts are impressive (not to mention accurate.) Imported or exported (I couldn’t think of a better word, sorry,) water from the mountains or the aquifer for crops that can’t grow without (what I’ll call water assistance) is water not available to sustain the human population. Where it comes from, and where it goes are both major factors.

Ag is a big water user, possibly the biggest. And, unlike most uses of the phrase, water use in California (as elsewhere) is a zero-sum game. In order to have winners, there have to be losers.

Thanks very much for your post.


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Originally Posted by Mellowicious\
And let’s hope, if the project is successful, agave doesn’t get turned into a monoculture itself..
I posted that video not because it is a promising project, but because it demonstrates a different way of thinking about reality. Especially the reality of our culture, which, as described in another topic about having too much, leaves us dissatisfied and frustrated. It also finds us squabbling about solutions that are focused on the unconscious mentality of more rather than figuring out rational approaches to living within the means of the planet.

It blows me away that those people are growing abundance in an arid climate that we think of as basically a desert wasteland where it doesn't rain 8 months out of the year, without sucking up any aquifers or rivers for irrigation. And they are drawing down atmospheric CO2 and they have meat in their diets and folks are getting some exercise and satisfaction from their lives... (one more, - and they get as much tequila as they can drink)!

Is their culture primitive, or advanced? (Note that they aren't living in caves...)

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Are these people leaders?

Your assignment, class, is to compare and contrast the UN Summit to the agave project.


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Aww, logtroll - do you know how much work that’s gonna be?.


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Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...

(To be quite honest, I never considered snark and satire to be work.)


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That’s why I gave you a satiric answer. I’m too lazytorea$ the entire article!


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I was hoping for some biting satire about the UN summit...

(I didn't read the whole thing, either)


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Thank you - that makes me feel better.


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Thanks, Mellowicious. I'm a retired San Diego County avocado grower, so I'm pretty well entangled in California water policy! We had about 100 producing trees when we bought the place. After mandatory water cuts we are now down to two good trees and a few stunted ones. Sent over 1000 pounds to the packing house the second year, once most of the trees had recovered from the previous owner shutting off the watering.


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
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Watched this video last night - amazing!


Maybe they should have passed out magic mushrooms at the UN Summit?


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