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I posted something like this before, but nobody bought in. It's the idea that refusal to get vaccinated or to take any social distancing precautions could result in charges of reckless endangerment or criminal negligence should that person get Covid and pass it on to someone else.

I'm surprised that we have not heard of such lawsuits yet.


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Sounds good to me but people are not always aware that they’re carrying the virus. Also, now that we know about breakthroughs, exempting the vaccinated would be questionable as well.


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Sounds good to me but people are not always aware that they’re carrying the virus. Also, now that we know about breakthroughs, exempting the vaccinated would be questionable as well.
How about this guy? Assuming he lives, should there be any charges if it could be proven that he transmitted the Covid to anyone else?

If the charges were reckless endangerment, or criminal negligence (both involve knowingly taking risks and ignoring the safety and welfare of others), it seems he would clearly have liability for any damage inflicted.

I think the awareness that indulging in one’s own ‘freedom’ to be stupid at the risk of heavy fines or jail time would convince a great many anti-vaxxers to get their vax on. End their silly vaxxilations about it, if you will…

The great thing about it is that it preserves personal freedoms by still giving those people a choice!


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He's not going to live. They are getting the DNR order right now. The hospital told his wife they are out of options for treatment. He's been in an induced coma on a ventilator for 19 days, and his lungs are so stiff they barely function.

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When he first felt symptoms on July 26, his wife told the Standard-Times, he refused to get tested or seek medical care. He instead began treating himself with a cocktail of Vitamin C, zinc, aspirin and ivermectin

So much for "the miracle drug". He should have looked around for monoclonal antibody cocktail. That actually works if you start soon enough. But I guess you have to believe the virus is real to seek an antibody treatment for it.

This is like the fourth prominent anti-mask anti-vax leader to die from Covid-19 recently. I wonder if this has more to do with increased vaccinations than the FDA approval?


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OK, I have to say this. I know we’re all frustrated with non-vaxx people but denying treatment, even to the incredibly stupid, seems pretty coldhearted to me. Yes, there needs to be a better solution, and no, I have no idea what it is. But as incredibly stupid as these people are, they are still human.

What happens to a drunk driver who is injured in a wreck and injures or kills someone? It seems similar to me.


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denying treatment, even to the incredibly stupid, seems pretty coldhearted to me.

Yep. Insurance companies could get involved though and possibly cancel anti-vaxxers.

It's also pretty coldhearted to cheer the bastards on and hope for enough of them to die to affect the 2022 election. But I'm gonna do that anyway.


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If the government wasn't paying for much of the Covid treatment, you can be sure insurance companies would be demanding they should be able to deny anti-vaxxers coverage. Policies that have to be ACA-compliant could not do that, but all the idiots who bought Trump-special limited coverage policies would be screwed. Just like we warned them...


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
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Yes, well, I don’t expect even the slightest bit of compassion from the insurance industry.


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And, as expected, numbers are way up after Sturgis. I’m guessing they would be lower if large numbers of the attendees were vaccinated, but that’s only an assumption at this point.


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I laughed so hard, iced tea shot out of my nose when I read that.
No, compassion is not something the insurance industry ever does. I suspect their shareholders would have somebody's head on a pike, if they ever heard of that.

I just heard something interesting on TWIV: It seems now that the Pfizer vaccine has full approval, docs have the option to use it off-label for kids who are under 12. It's only the EUA that allows use in 12 and up, but the rules for off-label use of fully approved drugs and biologicals are more liberal! So parents trying to get their 11 year olds vaccinated before the school year starts don't have to lie about the kid's age. They just need to find a pediatrician who is giving Pfizer vaccinations.


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