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Ida Rose I'm Home Again... Katrina

Hurricane Ida is bearing down on Louisiana. It is going to come very close to New Orleans, and packing a bigger wallop than Katrina. Hurricane Ida strengthens, Louisiana braces for severe blow (AP):

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Forecasters warned residents along the northern Gulf of Mexico coast to rush preparations ahead of an intensifying Hurricane Ida, which is expected to bring winds as high as 130 mph (209 kph), life-threatening storm surge and flooding rain when it slams ashore in Louisiana on Sunday.

The National Hurricane Center warned that super-warm Gulf waters could rapidly magnify Ida’s destructive power, boosting it from a Category 2 storm to an extremely dangerous Category 4 hurricane in just 18 hours or less. Landfall was expected Sunday afternoon.

But, as we know, there is no such thing as global climate change....

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They REALLY need to evacuate those parts of New Orleans that are below sea level. The huge problem is how do you evacuate people during a pandemic? And not very many of those evacuees are vaccinated, either. If they were smart, they would give every evacuee a dose of monoclonal antibody cocktail when they get off the trucks, where ever they take them.

In the long term, it's not going to get better. I think they need to bulldoze half of those lowlands so the other half is 20 feet higher, and the remainder is a new lake.


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Welp...CAT 5 and 150 MPH winds.

In 2005, I literally was getting ready to fly to New Orleans to go to Southern Decadence on August 29th. Earlier this year a friend and I discussed going to New Orleans for Southern Decadence figuring that New Orleans was rebuilt and it would be fun. Then I entered escrow to buy a house and we cancelled our plans.

This is all my fault. crazy I need to STOP planning on going to Southern Decadence. shocked

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There's not enough dirt in the whole state to make anything 20 feet higher.

It won't be long before Nueva Orleans will have to be moved upriver or abandoned. I'd like to see it moved and the delta set free.

These are the wars we need to be fighting.

We'll know soon how bad it is...I'm suspicious of whatever is pushing it back east. If that thing follows the river up a ways the flooding is gonna be biblical.


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There's not enough dirt in the whole state to make anything 20 feet higher.

That's why I said they need to dig half of it to be 20 feet deeper, to get some dirt. Then let the water table fill that new lake. Almost all of the Southern half of the state has been built this way. They dredge out a swamp, turn it into a lake, and build on top of the dried muck. Then build levees around it to protect it from flooding. If it wasn't for that, they would all be living in houseboats and commuting via airboats.


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They dredge out a swamp, turn it into a lake, and build on top of the dried muck. Then build levees around it to protect it from flooding.
I am very sad for all of the miraculously productive and healthy swamp that was decimated for stupid humans to squat on for a brief and disastrous time.


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I don't think New Orleans started that way. There were no giant dredges back when it was first settled. There was enough high ground after millions of years of the great Mississippi River sediment transport machine running.


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I remember from Katrina that there have been very large changes to the Louisiana shoreline; used to be terrain that provided protection against storms and storm surges, but it has gradually (or not so gradually) disappeared. Sorry, I can’t remember what they were called.


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They've done some major damage to the Louisiana wetlands, but a lot of that is caused by damming all the silt sources up-river. Less silt coming down the river and less seasonal floods to distribute it means the coastal wetlands dissolve into the Gulf at an accelerated rate. Abandoning the Southern half of the state might be great for the wetlands ecology, but New Orleans has huge cultural connections for America.

Likewise tearing down all the dams and abandoning all the riparian surrounds to seasonal flooding would take a huge economic toll.


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
They've done some major damage to the Louisiana wetlands, but a lot of that is caused by damming all the silt sources up-river. Less silt coming down the river and less seasonal floods to distribute it means the coastal wetlands dissolve into the Gulf at an accelerated rate. Abandoning the Southern half of the state might be great for the wetlands ecology, but New Orleans has huge cultural connections for America.

Likewise tearing down all the dams and abandoning all the riparian surrounds to seasonal flooding would take a huge economic toll.
Well, we can always move to Mars when we've used this planet up!


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
They've done some major damage to the Louisiana wetlands, but a lot of that is caused by damming all the silt sources up-river. Less silt coming down the river and less seasonal floods to distribute it means the coastal wetlands dissolve into the Gulf at an accelerated rate. Abandoning the Southern half of the state might be great for the wetlands ecology, but New Orleans has huge cultural connections for America.

Likewise tearing down all the dams and abandoning all the riparian surrounds to seasonal flooding would take a huge economic toll.
I would like to see the computation of the lifecyle economic and environmental toll related to humans dominating via urban settlement a large river delta ecosystem over a period of hundreds of years. I'm guessing it has been a piss poor investment.


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[quote]a piss poor investment[/quote
Undoubtedly, but now it's a massive "sunk cost fallacy". It would cost so much to undo the damage that it will never happen, until humans achieve universal rationalism. Like maybe in a couple hundred thousand years or so.

What will happen, and much much sooner, is all of those "reclaimed wetlands" will be part of the Gulf.


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a piss poor investment
Undoubtedly, but now it's a massive "sunk cost fallacy". It would cost so much to undo the damage that it will never happen, until humans achieve universal rationalism. Like maybe in a couple hundred thousand years or so.

What will happen, and much much sooner, is all of those "reclaimed wetlands" will be part of the Gulf.
Also known as homeostasis

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