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Originally Posted by Greger
Thoughts and prayers are always appreciated whether they do any good or not.
(Devil’s advocate here) unless they’re offered as useless, meaningless platitudes, completely without sincerity, and in place of any action whatsoever.

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Are you familiar with Reiki...?

It's pretty obviously batshit quackery and it's pretty exactly the same strange principle that prayer and higher powers are based on. But it has been demonstrated to work so many times that the VA now offers to veterans.

The first part of your first sentence fits pretty well with my thoughts on it, and the second half rides on its coattails. If it works for you, grand. I have a friend in Texas who is a reiki practitioner. I wish her well and am polite about her practice.



The first part of your definition fits pretty well with my thoughts on it.

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The problem is that it has been demonstrated to work whether it is batsh*t quackery or not.

It is a method of self-healing with the help of a practitioner.

First time I got Reiki I sat down a disbeliever, stood up convinced. I just checked with my new agey gluten free SIL, and there is a bruja/Yogi available who does Reiki among other in-home services.

But yeah thoughts and prayers offered as empty platitudes are as useless as the people who offer them.


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Greger, if it works for you, go for it. I was careful that my only criticism came as a direct quote from you.


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And I'd never suggest that you try it.

But I'm gonna get my chakras right with the lord.


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It does "work" for a lot of people, but it's all self-healing. The "practitioner" just has to convince their patient (victim?) they have some mystical power. They don't. But it's actually like tickling: Most people can't tickle themselves, but when somebody else tickles them, they react. For a lot of the people it works best on, they don't get touched much by other people. And before anybody brings up Reiki without touching, you can tickle someone without touching them: Just the threat to touch them gets them going.

My wife's twin did some on me, and it definitely had some effects. Of course mostly those effects were in my pants! Fortunately she was working on my back at the time.


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I'm a diehard skeptic, but there are some human actions and reactions I cannot explain. Some people spontaneously heal. Some people can feel the presence of another. Why that works, I dunno. I think prayers can work, at least as a community effort at giving good thoughts. There are some human connections that are unexplainable. My sister and her best friend were so attuned they finished each other's thoughts. Twins do it too. I think it may be connected to string theory.


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Pondered, like you I am a “diehard skeptic,” and there are things I can’t explain. I think there is probably an explanation but it hasn’t been discovered yet. I think that there are also things we can’t explain because we are not seeing them clearly.

I think the difference between us is that…I’m not concerned about it.. I think the unexplained will eventually be explained, and there’s no point in my speculating about it.


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I haven't got much to do besides sit and speculate. And strangely enough, sitting and speculating is what I enjoy doing the most.

There was a time when I thought the unexplained would eventually be explained. That might be true if we had more time, but it's looking more and more like the human race has an expiration date.

But that's just speculation too.

I accept that there might be an underworld of sorts. We don't know much about it, but one thing most can agree on is that the veil is very hard to pierce. Only gods, demigods, and their agents can do it(along with the dead). In the simplest terms...NO ONE.

For centuries flying machines were in that same category. Turns out the naysayers were wrong.

I feel that way about socialism too, we haven't pierced that veil yet either. That doesn't make it impossible, but it's nothing but speculation at this point.


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I doubt humans will ever be able to see those connections. Like the denizens of Flatland, we are stuck in three physical dimensions. We can only see one time dimension moving in one direction. We have it on pretty good authority that there are more dimensions of both, but with our current limitations those dimensions are invisible to us. It doesn't mean they don't exist, and it doesn't mean there are not beings who do operate in higher dimensions. If they intersect our dimensions, we would perceive them as 3D, but unexplainable. Sound familiar?

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Religion is a sort of fiction that you build in your head. And I guess it's a comfort to congregate with others who believe in the same nonsense.


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