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Did I hear that right?

I was listening to NPR’s “All Things Considered” a few minutes ago, a piece on Louisiana hospitals, Ida, and COVID. At the end of the interview, the NPR reporter closed with “‘We’ll pray for you.”

I’ve never heard anyone on NPR close a story with anything resembling a religious remark. And I could have sworn there was a second’s pause while the host tried not to react.

Anyone else hear this? Find it at all unusual?


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**Mumbles a prayer to the Orcish gods**

A figure of speech, nothing more...


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Yours, or hers?


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We're a long ways from stamping out religion, and among practitioners, the offering of prayers is a heartfelt wish for the well-being of others.

For those needing the prayers is it often a small thing that gives them hope...that others are calling upon higher powers, such as they be, to lend whatever help they might.

But the question isn't really about religion...it's about whether it is appropriate for an NPR radio host to be offering them up over the airwaves.

As long as they don't get preachy or mention any gods in particular I'm alright with it on rare natural disaster occasions. Thoughts and prayers are always appreciated whether they do any good or not.

Congress members, on the other hand, have the power to offer up far more than thoughts and prayers but that's about anybody ever gets out of them.

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Reiki is a Japanese technique for stress reduction and relaxation that also promotes healing. It is administered by "laying on hands" and is based on the idea that an unseen "life force energy" flows through us and is what causes us to be alive. If one's "life force energy" is low, then we are more likely to get sick or feel stress, and if it is high, we are more capable of being happy

It's pretty obviously batshit quackery and it's pretty exactly the same strange principle that prayer and higher powers are based on. But it has been demonstrated to work so many times that the VA now offers to veterans.

I didn't believe in Reiki until I experienced it. I don't believe any of the hocus pocus bullsh*t. I am pagan. I worship a rock and I expect it to do what large rocks do. Reiki is a head rush like no other!

Now, here's an odd story that happened a few months ago....I was walking my dog downtown, in my power chair, when a met a young man with a spring in his step and a smile on his face. The Bible under his arm informed me that this kid was high as f*ck on Jesus.

Now I reckon me in my wheelchair with my ancient hound dog are a pretty pathetic sight. Somebody that looks like they need all the prayers they can get. And so he approached me.

He introduced himself and offered to pray over me...Knowing it would make his day better and his smile even wider I let him. I'm that kinda guy, y'know...?

He held his Bible in one hand and put his other hand on my shoulder, and he began to pray! Loudly and with passion.

And then I felt it...Reiki

Almost like an electric shock. I can see how another man might be fooled by those shenanigans.

Anyway, Reiki can be done from a distance and anonymously, thoughts and prayers might actually work. In practice, it is nothing more than genuinely wishing for the well-being of someone. Nothing mystical about it, perhaps a not yet understood connection between humans...we might act like we know everything but there is much yet to learn.


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Religious belief in "another place" when one dies is a comfort for many and harms nobody (for the most part). All the rest doesn't matter as that's the big draw (for a LOT of people!)

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That NPR reporter probably should have said: "I'll pray for you." Instead of "we". That made it sound as if NPR is some sort of religious organization, which it's not. Maybe the "we" he was referring to was him and his spouse? His prayer circle?


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Ah yes, That Great By and By. It's a wonderful fantasy and you can't blame anybody for clinging to it.

And I think it's possible to believe it on the one hand while knowing full well it's nonsense on the other.


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
That NPR reporter probably should have said: "I'll pray for you." Instead of "we". That made it sound as if NPR is some sort of religious organization, which it's not. Maybe the "we" he was referring to was him and his spouse? His prayer circle?

She may have said “we” or “I” - I was so gobsmacked by the second half of the sentence that 8 wasn’t paying much attention to the first.

jgw- harms nobody? Probably true, unless you count aggravation as harm. I ha$ a tough time getting through my father’s funeral because he was a nonbeliever and no one was willing to leave it at that. My favorite aunt’s funeral was also difficult; she was a lifelong member of the Church of the Blond-haired blue-eyed Jesus holding a lamb.

I try very hard not to thrust my atheism on anyone, and I wish others would keep their beliefs to themselves as well - especially when those beliefs are stated in a way that demands polite agreement.

Grrr. I’m sorry. I spent the afternoon with someone very dear to me. She has Alzheimer’s. I realized on the way home that the only use I could have for God is as a target for my anger.


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(Well, heck, it’s called “rant” for a reason, innit?!)


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Originally Posted by Greger
Are you familiar with Reiki...?
Reiki is a Japanese technique for stress reduction and relaxation that also promotes healing. It is administered by "laying on hands" and is based on the idea that an unseen "life force energy" flows through us and is what causes us to be alive.

My wife Karen!
No, not sexual....not this.
All I can say is, no matter how crappy I feel, if she hugs me and runs her hands all over my back, I feel the life force soothing me from head to toe.

Get your minds out of the gutter, I said I wasn't talking about sexual stuff! LOL

I'm serious here, I really mean it, Karen gives good reiki.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Thoughts and prayers are always appreciated whether they do any good or not.
(Devil’s advocate here) unless they’re offered as useless, meaningless platitudes, completely without sincerity, and in place of any action whatsoever.

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Are you familiar with Reiki...?

It's pretty obviously batshit quackery and it's pretty exactly the same strange principle that prayer and higher powers are based on. But it has been demonstrated to work so many times that the VA now offers to veterans.

The first part of your first sentence fits pretty well with my thoughts on it, and the second half rides on its coattails. If it works for you, grand. I have a friend in Texas who is a reiki practitioner. I wish her well and am polite about her practice.



The first part of your definition fits pretty well with my thoughts on it.

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The problem is that it has been demonstrated to work whether it is batsh*t quackery or not.

It is a method of self-healing with the help of a practitioner.

First time I got Reiki I sat down a disbeliever, stood up convinced. I just checked with my new agey gluten free SIL, and there is a bruja/Yogi available who does Reiki among other in-home services.

But yeah thoughts and prayers offered as empty platitudes are as useless as the people who offer them.


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Greger, if it works for you, go for it. I was careful that my only criticism came as a direct quote from you.


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And I'd never suggest that you try it.

But I'm gonna get my chakras right with the lord.


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It does "work" for a lot of people, but it's all self-healing. The "practitioner" just has to convince their patient (victim?) they have some mystical power. They don't. But it's actually like tickling: Most people can't tickle themselves, but when somebody else tickles them, they react. For a lot of the people it works best on, they don't get touched much by other people. And before anybody brings up Reiki without touching, you can tickle someone without touching them: Just the threat to touch them gets them going.

My wife's twin did some on me, and it definitely had some effects. Of course mostly those effects were in my pants! Fortunately she was working on my back at the time.


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I'm a diehard skeptic, but there are some human actions and reactions I cannot explain. Some people spontaneously heal. Some people can feel the presence of another. Why that works, I dunno. I think prayers can work, at least as a community effort at giving good thoughts. There are some human connections that are unexplainable. My sister and her best friend were so attuned they finished each other's thoughts. Twins do it too. I think it may be connected to string theory.


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Pondered, like you I am a “diehard skeptic,” and there are things I can’t explain. I think there is probably an explanation but it hasn’t been discovered yet. I think that there are also things we can’t explain because we are not seeing them clearly.

I think the difference between us is that…I’m not concerned about it.. I think the unexplained will eventually be explained, and there’s no point in my speculating about it.


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I haven't got much to do besides sit and speculate. And strangely enough, sitting and speculating is what I enjoy doing the most.

There was a time when I thought the unexplained would eventually be explained. That might be true if we had more time, but it's looking more and more like the human race has an expiration date.

But that's just speculation too.

I accept that there might be an underworld of sorts. We don't know much about it, but one thing most can agree on is that the veil is very hard to pierce. Only gods, demigods, and their agents can do it(along with the dead). In the simplest terms...NO ONE.

For centuries flying machines were in that same category. Turns out the naysayers were wrong.

I feel that way about socialism too, we haven't pierced that veil yet either. That doesn't make it impossible, but it's nothing but speculation at this point.


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I doubt humans will ever be able to see those connections. Like the denizens of Flatland, we are stuck in three physical dimensions. We can only see one time dimension moving in one direction. We have it on pretty good authority that there are more dimensions of both, but with our current limitations those dimensions are invisible to us. It doesn't mean they don't exist, and it doesn't mean there are not beings who do operate in higher dimensions. If they intersect our dimensions, we would perceive them as 3D, but unexplainable. Sound familiar?

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Religion is a sort of fiction that you build in your head. And I guess it's a comfort to congregate with others who believe in the same nonsense.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Religion is a sort of fiction that you build in your head. And I guess it's a comfort to congregate with others who believe in the same nonsense.
A different perspective on ‘believing’:
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“The trump card of the warrior is that he believes without believing. But obviously a warrior can’t just say he believes and let it go at that. That would be too easy. To just believe without any exertion would exonerate him from examining his situation. A warrior, whenever he has to involve himself with believing, does it as a choice. A warrior doesn’t believe, a warrior has to believe.” -Don Juan


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This thread was inspired by an off-hand comment from an unlikely source. I've been thinking about that, and what i think is this: belief, or the trappings of belief, are more pervasive than we expect, especially in these uncertain times. The old saying is, "there are no atheists in foxholes". And, human beings, in the main, are decent. We've spent more than 4 years dealing with the fallout of elevating narcissism and lauding antisocial behavior. I think we've had enough.


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
I think we've had enough.
But do you believe it? tinfoilhat wink


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
The old saying is, "there are no atheists in foxholes"..
I doubt anyone has asked how many were atheists when they made it out,


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Has anyone asked the Foxes?


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Religions have steps. The first is one a single person starts to believe there is a better place. He/she shares this with a friend and that friend tells another. its a comfort, harms nobody and so it spreads. These people now start to gather with one another so that they can talk about their new found comfort and all can agree on it. First they have friends, then they have a group of friends. From there its not too far for a leader/leaders start to appear. When that happens you get a cult and, eventually, a cult of true believers. Quite possibly even several cults of true believers as well as not cults but rather social events. So, now, we have social groups, and groups of true believers. The difference between the two is that one, the social group, are just happy to be there amongst friends, the other is a bit different (righteous, claims of superiority, and secrets).

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The whole talking burning bush thing just makes me cringe and take pity on the believer. smile

Several years ago, 60 Minutes did a segment on morality, titled, Born good?, in which studies have found that toddlers exhibit morality. It is thought that morality is innate and we are actually "born that way."

If true, then the whole purpose for religion is for naught. Hmm


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Young gorillas and orangutans also exhibit morality. Perhaps instilled in them by their creator...? I don't think so but many would argue the point.

Like my bisexuality and independent voter status, I prefer not to be labeled as religious so I practice paganism, which hasn't got any beliefs of its own and depends entirely on cultural appropriation to exist.


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History of Religion

The first panel sums it up nicely.

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Explains why my deeply Catholic cousin is also a magician. Or vice versa.


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Reiki don’t lose that number!


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Thanks Loggy. I suppose there’s two options in life, to laugh or to cry.

I prefer the former.


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Or, in some cases, to snicker.


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