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OK, I think I may have gone down the rabbit hole here.

Rick made a comment that the Taliban were generally an uneducated. It started me looking for information on them - not so much about “the Taliban,” the group we constantly hear about, but on its more cellular level.

If I want to know general info about an average soldier, I can google statistics till the cows come home. How many, what age, why enlisted, etc.

I can’t get that stuff on the Taliban, of course, for about a hundred and twenty reasons. But even the number varies greatly over time, anywhere from 3000 to 100,000.

Why does a man join with the Taliban? “Taliban,” in Pashto, means “student,” and the original Taliban actually were religious students. Are they students now? Are they even literate? Are any of them married? Do they have children?

Who are the da*n Taliban?


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Near as I can tell, the Taliban are typical conservatives.

We haven't even begun to figure them out here...there's no chance we'd understand conservatives of an entirely different religion and culture.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Near as I can tell, the Taliban are typical conservatives..
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...as I wrote on another thread, my information about the Taliban fighters (not to be confused with their upper management - their Leaders) are uneducated comes from NPR's "All Things Considered" and Terry Gross' "Fresh Air."

Because of my commute, I have lots of time to listen to the radio. smile


Just to put this out there, it's not all news for me, there's also C89.5 - Listener supported dance radio. smile

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Interesting story about how I found C89.

In my former vanpool (I am ALWAYS the driver in the vanpools - I hate other people's driving. smile ), we start off in Tacoma and we had one pick-up on the way to work. I was at the pick-up and I turned down the volume so when the other new riders got in, they radio is not blasting for them. I must have changed the station without realizing it when I turned-down the volume.

As most listeners of NPR know, they play "bumper music" between segments. A song came on that I was familiar with, it was the instrumental part of the song - but I did think that it was interesting that NPR picked THAT song to use for bumper music...and the bumper went on longer than usual...and continued....and I'm thinking....this is weird...did NPR go off the air? Then another dance song came onto the radio. Then another. THEN finally the DJ came on and called out the station call letters of C89 - Seattle's Home For Dance.

Turns out the C89 is the broadcast learning channel for the Seattle School District and has been on the air for 50 years. They play the newest dance tracks - just like a club would do. Anywhooo...I was hooked.

So now I alternate between NPR and C89 in the vanpool.

(Also a rule in vanpools is that the driver picks what's on the radio. laugh )


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From another thread:
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The average Taliban fighter is not educated - at all. THAT is why they are so easily manipulated. That nearly all women and girls in Kabul are way more educated than these religious idiots and they somehow think THEY'RE superior to these educated women?

LOL , ROTFMOL

Rick, I just did a quick search; the first link came up with a literacy rate 15% for all women and girls. If, as the article I listed somewhere but can’t find now says, Taliban are recruited from madrassas, then some, if not most, have probably received some form of education. And even a minimal education level can pretty easily outstrip a15% literacy rate. I think your comments about women and girls in Kabul are educated women are over generous. I’ll search for some Kabul-specific literacy numbers


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From my understanding, the women and girls in Kabul are just as educated as the men and boys are. In fact, I heard on the radio recently that the only Rhodes scholar in all of Afghanistan is this woman. Hmm


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Corrections: the 15% number seems to be trash. Literacy numbers seem to run around 50-55% for men 15 and older, 30% for women 15 and older. Numbers for Kabul specifically don’t seem to be available (which I should have known.)

Looks like average years in school for girls is about 5 years. They cannot be taught by men (including their fathers) and education is often cut short by early marriage.

This little foray into female education prompted by apparently very different interpretations of “educated women.”

Greger - again, an interpretation, but - typical conservatives?
I think you would draw a line between conservatives and religious conservatives? Even then, the Taliban are far more bloody than, I think, any conservative group in the US except, possibly, the Klan, who made up their own rules and enforced them by death.

You’re right; no chance of understanding the Taliban; nor would I want/need to - but talking about a group makes me want to know more about them.

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That's too bad that the girls are only getting 5 years of education. Seemed that a lot more progress was made in the 20 years of US occupation, then that.


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I think the average for children of either sex is six years, although advanced education is available.

I’d venture to say the biggest change to education due to the occupation was the education of girls and women in the absence of the Taliban.

(and yes, I’m more than a little ashamed of myself for not having learned this 20 years ago.)

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It's going to be difficult for the Taliban to put horse back into the barn, the horse has been set-free to roam and explore. You can't quash that.

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Already the women are protesting to be a part of government - and the Taliban are doing all they know how to do - beat them back into submission. Hmm

Misogyny is the worst. frown


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