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Back in the day when I was a bona fide logger in Montana, I usta go shrooming with a coworker who lived in the woods in a homemade camp trailer built on a vintage flatbed semi-trailer pulled by a 1950's Mack tractor. As it happens, many mushrooms like to proliferate in burned over clearcuts. Calf Brains and Elephant Ears are the two I remember, I'd hang out some days after murdering a hundred tree, or so, and we'd feast on scrambled eggs and sauteed mushrooms with a dessert of half a cantaloupe filled with cottage cheese. Keith (Hammer) had a banjo and I had a fiddle, so we'd entertain the squirrels and ourselves for an hour before I'd drag my tired ass home in a pink 1947 Willys Jeep.

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Peyote is pretty horrible. Very hard on your stomach. Puking is part of the experience. Extraction of the mescaline is very easy, and mescaline is lovely. It's 3,4,5-Trimethoxyphenethylamine, and 3,4.5-Trimethoxyamphetamine is lovely, too. Almost identical. There are lots of complex amphetamines that are fun with slight differences:

2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine is STP
3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine is MDA
3,4-Methyl​enedioxy​methamphetamine is MDMA AKA ecstasy or molly

All of these lack the puking part of the peyote experience, with similar psychedelic effects. Effective doses vary a lot.

The big difference is that mushrooms are legal in Washington state. The rest of these are still illegal everywhere in the US.


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Heroin is pretty well known for its puking effect too. So is alcohol. Both have remained popular over the years. I've eaten mescaline by the handsful. Often laced with strychnine which has its own uncomfortable effects.

Shrooms upset your tummy a little but it's nothing serious.


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
...3,4-Methyl​enedioxy​methamphetamine is MDMA AKA ecstasy or molly
Isn't it 3,4-methyldimethylamphetamine ?


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That's not a proper name: It would just be 3,4,?-trimethyl amphetamine. The meth oxy or methylene dioxy groups tend to make it more psychedelic, Methyl groups tend to make it more like speed, anti-appetite, etc. The oxygen is the fun part!


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Anybody got any cool experiences to relate?


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Originally Posted by logtroll
Anybody got any cool experiences to relate?
To mushrooms? No.

To 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine? Lots Hmm , cool


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
That's not a proper name: It would just be 3,4,?-trimethyl amphetamine. The meth oxy or methylene dioxy groups tend to make it more psychedelic, Methyl groups tend to make it more like speed, anti-appetite, etc. The oxygen is the fun part!
You're right PIA. Per Google:

3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine, chemical formula of C11H15NO2 and molecular mass of 193.25 g/mol


Here is the chemical structure in 2D. I couldn't get the 3D to work. Hmm


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A lot of my early adult drug experiences involved sex and rock n roll, to go along with the drugs. Dropping acid with my friends for a Blue Oyster Cult concert in New Orleans, followed by a three-way with that couple after the concert. Or smoking some mushroom extract with a young lady, followed by some amazing sex. My second date with my (later) first wife was fueled by mescaline followed by dropping acid the next day. (Not a good idea, but we were young and stupid.) Or going out to the desert by myself to make some peyote into a religious experience.

I'm just really glad I didn't encounter any rattlers on that last one, since that was in the very same area I stepped over a rock and had one bite my shoe later that year.

Of course that's all way in my distant past decades beyond the statute of limitations. But if I ever ran for office, I'm sure somebody would drag it out for the tabloids. That or my Selective Service "application" where I was totally honest about my drug use. (Didn't bother them at all! I got a very high lottery number.)


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