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Originally Posted by Greger
Religion is a sort of fiction that you build in your head. And I guess it's a comfort to congregate with others who believe in the same nonsense.
A different perspective on ‘believing’:
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“The trump card of the warrior is that he believes without believing. But obviously a warrior can’t just say he believes and let it go at that. That would be too easy. To just believe without any exertion would exonerate him from examining his situation. A warrior, whenever he has to involve himself with believing, does it as a choice. A warrior doesn’t believe, a warrior has to believe.” -Don Juan


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This thread was inspired by an off-hand comment from an unlikely source. I've been thinking about that, and what i think is this: belief, or the trappings of belief, are more pervasive than we expect, especially in these uncertain times. The old saying is, "there are no atheists in foxholes". And, human beings, in the main, are decent. We've spent more than 4 years dealing with the fallout of elevating narcissism and lauding antisocial behavior. I think we've had enough.


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
I think we've had enough.
But do you believe it? tinfoilhat wink


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
The old saying is, "there are no atheists in foxholes"..
I doubt anyone has asked how many were atheists when they made it out,


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Has anyone asked the Foxes?


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Religions have steps. The first is one a single person starts to believe there is a better place. He/she shares this with a friend and that friend tells another. its a comfort, harms nobody and so it spreads. These people now start to gather with one another so that they can talk about their new found comfort and all can agree on it. First they have friends, then they have a group of friends. From there its not too far for a leader/leaders start to appear. When that happens you get a cult and, eventually, a cult of true believers. Quite possibly even several cults of true believers as well as not cults but rather social events. So, now, we have social groups, and groups of true believers. The difference between the two is that one, the social group, are just happy to be there amongst friends, the other is a bit different (righteous, claims of superiority, and secrets).

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The whole talking burning bush thing just makes me cringe and take pity on the believer. smile

Several years ago, 60 Minutes did a segment on morality, titled, Born good?, in which studies have found that toddlers exhibit morality. It is thought that morality is innate and we are actually "born that way."

If true, then the whole purpose for religion is for naught. Hmm


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Young gorillas and orangutans also exhibit morality. Perhaps instilled in them by their creator...? I don't think so but many would argue the point.

Like my bisexuality and independent voter status, I prefer not to be labeled as religious so I practice paganism, which hasn't got any beliefs of its own and depends entirely on cultural appropriation to exist.


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History of Religion

The first panel sums it up nicely.

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Explains why my deeply Catholic cousin is also a magician. Or vice versa.


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