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I think it's a pretty steady 30%. But they can often convince another 20% to go along with their cockeyed schemes.

I guess to me, batshit craziness is a political disorder. An ideological disease.

Just as we are born man or woman...we are born liberal or conservative.

Conservatism being a genetic flaw and batshit craziness being the rarer, more chronic form.


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I submit that Conservatism is a mental disorder. Prove me wrong. smile


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Originally Posted by Greger
I guess to me, batshit craziness is a political disorder. An ideological disease.
I learned from the CNN interview linked in the OP that “cheese pizza” is code for “child pornography”. That is clear evidence that there is a kiddiesex room in the basement of pizzarias and anyone who orders cheese pizza can meet HRC and that Hanks guy there. I bet they even serve “red beer” by the pitcher, with the “tomato juice” coming from a “baby tap”. Bottoms up!

Interestingly, the woman who revealed that fact was regarded to be apolitical, a strong Christian believer who cares deeply about children. Ergo, the bounds of batsh!tcraziness do not stop at politics. Any belief risks falling into the bsc well if its basis be murky and adherence devout.


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Originally Posted by pdx rick
I submit that Conservatism is a mental disorder. Prove me wrong. smile

I'm pretty sure it's genetic due to the apparent 50/50 split in the population.

To a liberal, it certainly looks like a mental illness, but be aware that from the conservative standpoint it is the liberals who are mentally unbalanced or BSC.

Remember the half-black half-white episode of Star Trek? It's like that but the difference between the two is invisible and doesn't present itself until ideology surfaces during conversations.

You know when it happens because you can feel the small hairs down your spine rising...

Along with your blood pressure.

You've had a close encounter with someone who is batshit crazy.


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30%

Three outa ten.

Thirty in every hundred.

Are f*cking batshit crazy.

We're at an odd intersection in time where the Venn diagram of all truly batshit crazy people in the USA and The Republican Party have melded into a single circle.


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I tend to agree with Greger, to those on opposite sides of the political spectrum, the other side does seem batshit crazy. That in today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide and the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship, it has become more overt. More open for one and all to see.

There was a time if one is old enough to remember. That these ideological battles took place within each party, behind closed doors. Each party had their conservative and liberal wings. The Democrats, the solid conservative south. The Republicans, the Rockefeller liberal Republicans of the northeast. Back in those days, the northeast was pretty much solid Republican. With each party getting rid of their unwanted wings, that brought the debate out into the open, more of a party vs. party thing than and internal debate within each party.

Bringing this into more focus is the fact the Democratic Party has shrunk quite a lot while independents, the more middle of the roaders have grown. You can see this in this link which goes only to 2014.

Interesting in 1961 51% of the electorate identified themselves as Democrats, 28% Republicans, 20% independents. Reagan was a game changer. Democrats dropped from 45 down to 35% during his presidency. Republicans rose from 23% up to 30% while independents became 30% of the electorate. By 2014, Democrats down to 32%, republican down to 23% and independents at 39%.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/party-id-trend/

Today or as 17 Aug 2021, Gallup puts party affiliation at Democratic 29%, Republican 26%, independent 40%. What’s interesting to me is that since Eisenhower, the GOP has averaged around 26% of the electorate with a few ups and downs. It’s the Democratic Party that has really shrunk, independents grown. As to why, I suppose everyone can come up with their own reasons. I’m sure part of it has been the shedding of each party’s unwanted wing and perhaps each party now trying to get rid of its moderates. Each party having their own litmus tests. As a result, what had been intraparty disputes usually kept behind closed doors have boiled over in the mass political arena for one and all to see. Conservative Republican vs. Liberal Democrat. Hence the rapid growth of independents. Looking at the numbers, I would say those who left the Democratic Party didn’t go over to the GOP, they became independents. Not beholding to either party. Although some did switch parties, most went into the non-affiliated column. My two cents.


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Originally Posted by perotista
As to why, I suppose everyone can come up with their own reasons.
Turbocharged negative opposition branding, most of it dishonest, coupled with unleashed and unhinged media access.

Baiting the batshit crazy gullible.


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I am coming to this one late. My thought on the crazies is that, I think, this is the first time that a significant group of voters have gathered under a system of belief that has little to do with verifiable truth. Instead we have the opposite. If one side claims the sky is blue then the other side will claim the opposite, even if the sky is, obviously, blue!

This one blows me away and makes no sense and is, in the case of covid, actually killing the supposed crazies. Its really pretty amazing and vaccines are a really good example of taking obvious truth and actually dying to prove that vaccines are bad and, then, ignoring the fact that their belief just killed a fellow traveler. It gets even worse because this is not happening for a single true-believer but a LOT of true-believers yet they continue to fight the truth! Seems to me that when thousands of the true believers start dying somebody might get a message? I guess not...........

Somehow I am no longer sure the term "crazy" is appropriate. Battles and wars have been fought over religious beliefs and that's a known fact. However, that being said, those battles were not being fought over obvious, verifiable truths but beliefs based on what is, basically, non-provable as far as obvious and verifiable are concerned.

Again, I suspect, that "insane" might be better.

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Interesting in 1961 51% of the electorate identified themselves as Democrats, 28% Republicans, 20% independents. Reagan was a game changer. Democrats dropped from 45 down to 35% during his presidency.
Racist Democrats had a welcoming open arms invitation to join Republicans after Reagan's Neshoba County Fair "states' rights" speech lamenting black "Welfare Queens driving Cadillacs."

No surprise in those statistics perotista. smile


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In my opinion, Independents are like bisexuals, who prefer their own kind, but hide behind a label suggesting open mindedness.

White the independent label suggests open mindedness, I submit that in really, independents will vote mostly Dem or Republican as they had done previously before becoming "independent" - and again, I submit that they simply are too cowardly to admit to their party's affiliation. Hmm

Both bisexuals and Independents relish is their perceived ambiguity, but in reality, there is none. They simply don't want the stigma of their own kinds' label. They can then say, they're not like the others of their own kind THAT is the real reason for their ambiguity. Hmm

Yes, sometimes the bisexual and independent stray off the reservation - but those times are rare and should be considered one-offs. laugh


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