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Partisan investigators seem to be grasping at straws, and jail time for Trump is becoming a more distant possibility all the time. One of the VERY likely matchups in 2024 could be Trump vs Harris.

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I fail to comprehend how anyone can take 1/6 lightly.
No one is taking it lightly and everyone sees it for the failure that it was. It is one more example of what happens when conservatives take control. The Great Depression and the Great Recession were the other most famous instances in recent history. We are living through the third.

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These folks aren't criminals and locking them up will neither prevent future riots nor reform them.

Donald Trump was responsible for it, he stirred them up and sent them into battle, he could have stopped it at any time. Yet he chose to gleefully watch it on television. Like Nero watching Rome burn on CCTV while he played his violin.


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Trump vs. Harris, 2024. Interesting. Just by looking at the independent voter favorable/unfavorable views of these two as of 28 Sep 2021, Trump would probably win the independent vote if the election were held today. Harris is viewed favorably by 31% of independents, unfavorably by 60%. Independents aren’t political junkies, they tend to vote on their perceptions, likes and dislikes of the candidates. Harris just rubs them the wrong way and always has, even in the Democratic Primaries of 2020.

Trump on the other hand, also has never been liked or viewed favorably by independents. But Trump gets his best marks among independents today than he ever has going back to 2016. 42% of independents view Trump favorably, 53% unfavorably. That’s his lowest unfavorable among independents ever. 57% of independents viewed him unfavorable in Nov 2016, 61% in Nov 2018, 60% Nov 2020

I suppose everyone has their own reasons for Trump’s lowering of independents unfavorable view of him. I tend to think it’s because Trump isn’t out there twittering everyday to remind independents why they disliked him so much. He’s been basically out of the news. The old saying, out of sight, out of mind seems to apply. But this is only a SWAG. He’s ancient history to most independents. They wanted him gone, Trump’s gone, mission accomplished. Now they’re focused on Biden and company, beginning in August anyway as independents gave Biden a six-month honeymoon just for not being Trump. Trump, he’s become distant memory today for independents.

Having said this, I do think if Trump runs for the presidency in 2024, he’ll remind independents why they disliked him so much while he was president and his unfavorable’s will shoot right back up there in the 60% range. But 2024, a Harris/Trump matchup could be another 2016 rerun where a majority of independents disliked and didn’t want neither Trump nor Clinton to become the next president. 54% to be exact. Final results for 2016 of the independent vote, 46% Trump, 42% Clinton, 12% third party, a vote against both.

My solution, Tammy Duckworth 2024. A fresh young face from flyover country much like Obama in 2008 and Bill Clinton in 1992.


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I like it. It idiotic electorate would rather vote for someone who will destroy American Democracy rather than someone who wants to preserve it.

Rome dominated the Mediterranean world for almost 1000 years ... perhaps America will fall just under 100 years. It appears to me America doesn't deserve to be that beacon on the hill.

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The world doesn't need anybody dominating it anymore. It needs team players.

I wouldn't get my hopes up about Trump, he's old and not terribly healthy.


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Both parties come up with their own nominees and in both cases, do so without any thought to how 40% of the electorate will view their candidate. That 40% being independents. We do live in an era where independents decide national elections, not either party's base.

In 2016 I thought the Republicans blew it big time when they nominated Trump. They had Rubio and Kasich, well liked and looked favorably on by independents. Yet they nominated someone in which 57% of independents disliked. Sure the Democratic candidate would trounce Trump like there was no tomorrow. Then the Democrats come up with Clinton, that left me scratching my head. What was a trouncing in the making became a horse race to the finish.

Ah, then 2020. It looked like the Democrats learned a valuable lesson from 2016. Biden was liked by independents and that showed in their final vote tally for him 54-41 over Trump. Now it seems the Democrats are talking about Harris as their 2024 nominee. Once again I'll scratch my head wondering did the Democrats really learn anything from 2016?

I hope Greger is correct.


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It's wishful thinking that Rightwingers are counting Joe out in 2024. These people are all cut from the same cloth. rolleyes

No matter which site you go to - it's as if they all have a daily talking point - which only reforces the Russian Troll Farm phenomena. Hmm


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Trump Org could run a holographic image of The Trump and they would vote for him.

It's religious ... an article of faith .... Trump was and remains the savior of America.


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Funny, but sad. And oh so true. It’s just astonishing the hold he has over his flock and will continue to have. As has been mentioned before ad nausium a cult.


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Republican and Democrats voting for their party's candidates regardless of who they are is the norm. History has shown that on average 92% of those who identify with either major party will vote for their party's candidate.Hence, when it comes to election forecasts, Republicans and Democrats are the most boring groups. Everyone knows how they'll vote. Now figuring out independents, that's a challenge and is very interesting. So if Trump runs in 2024, 92% of Republicans, give or take a point or two will vote for him. If Biden were to run again in 2024, the same 92% of Democrats would vote for him. Guaranteed.

As for Biden, he said a couple of times during the primaries he'd serve one term. That is probably why many are speculating on who the Democrats will nominate in 2024. But let's get 2022 out of the way first, what happens in 2022 will directly effect what is to take place in 2024.


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Along the way in federal elections I have voted for Republicans, Democrats, independents, and on occasion even offered write ins. What percentage does that put me into? The one percent?

If so, yay, I finally made it into the 1%.


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