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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act

Section 230 is the Congressional effort to make sure that the internet is "decent". Oh, and also gives the internet, basically, immunity. This means, and we know, that if its on the internet then anybody can do anything. Porn? Not a problem (so much for decency). Now we have been experiencing a system wherein anybody can Lie, Cheat, Steal, Rape burn and Pillage. Its all there and we all know its there. I just didn't know that OUR congress legislated this disaster. Right now lies, accusations and bad behavior have immunity on the internet cannot be sued over - thanks to the United States Congress.

Now we are reaping the rewards of this strict piece of American legislation and its destroying us. Now our congress seems to be considering regulations for Facebook. A long time ago Facebook actually suggested regulation but that was ignored. Now Congress, in its infinite wisdom is going to punish Facebook but, apparently, ignore all the lies, cheats, etc. of the internet in general.

I think its really time that something is done about the internet, the whole damned thing! If there was ever a place that needed regulation its the net. There are common sense things that can be done. One, I think, is to, at least, treat the internet as newspapers are right now. This seems fair to me. If we expect our newspapers to deal in truth, or get their butts sued off then why not the net too? Lying is not, as far as I am concerned, have anything to do with free speech - lies are just lies, nothing more, nothing less.

The basic problem is pretty simple. The United States has a serious part of its adult population willing to believe anything they see or hear. If its on the net its gotta be true!

Just a thought......................

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Boy, is that ever a misstatement if the facts! That's like saying the phone company should be indicted as a coconspirator when criminals talk about their planned crimes over the phone! The truth about Section 230 is that it makes people who post things on the internet responsible for what they post. If they slander someone, they can be sued. If they post child pornography, they can go to prison. If they plan insurrection, they can be prosecuted for treason.

The organizations that present those posts can be asked to remove them from their web pages, and they can be forced to by court order. But they generally try to avoid legal problems by removing those post quickly. Some of them actually police posts on their websites and report the criminal ones to the FBI after removing them, preserving all the info needed to prosecute.

The problem is that Americans are a pretty feisty bunch, anybody in the world with an internet connection can post on some of these websites, and the posts can run in the millions per day on popular websites. They can't hire enough people to read every post before putting it on their site, so they try to use AI algorithms to find the stinkers. So Section 230 says they can't be sued for something somebody else wrote.

What you seem to be upset about is that people can lie and say nasty things on the internet. But people do that all the time without the internet!


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So, I guess I am wrong. All this talk about actually regulating stuff on the internet would be dead wrong as its already done so there is no need for regulation and this is the solution.

I guess this is another "in the fullness of time" thing.

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Regulation also has its boundaries. It becomes authoritarian when it starts to infringe on basic privacy rights. You have no business tapping my telephone line or my internet connection, you have no business recording my conversations and opening my mail. You have no business in my bedroom regulating my behavior, you have no business in my home keeping an eye on my family.

Unless and until a crime is committed you have no business in my life whatsoever.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Unless and until a crime is committed you have no business in my life whatsoever.
What are you trying to hide?? (signed, Big Brother)


You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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Every night my wife and I watch the news. Every night we ask each other the same questions. They are:
How can they get away with saying flat out lies that are destroying our country?
How can he get away with trying to cause civil war on a regular basis?
How can they survive when they are killing themselves, and their children, to make a political point?

This list is, really, longer, but, basically the same. Apparently, we suspect, there is absolutely nothing wrong about a president looting the treasury, getting bribed, trying to start a revolution, etc. We are just, obviously, confused.

How can there be TV news which supports flat out lies, on a regular basis, which starts and supports not only lies but anything which supports the destruction of the nation.

Betcha you can figure out a few too. None of it makes any sense to me. It used to be that yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre when there is no fire was a bad thing. Now, it seems its; "Go ahead and yell whatever - its your rights". We currently have "The Big Lie" EVERYBODY knows its a lie but there are millions who, I think, know its a lie but still believe it!

There was a time, I think, when people who did this stuff were called "TRAITOR!" I am no longer sure that the word itself makes any sense anymore. I do know that nobody uses it.

We live in very strange times...........


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