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Stop Greger. You're just trying to stir s***.
We dealt with that earlier in the thread.
I explained it then and apologized and that line of talk stopped right there.
You KNOW we're not serious about doing bodily harm and certainly not death. We're referring to sexual crimes against both boys and girl with so few consenquences.

And then suddenly it got off on "how much they liked it".

Pia, you said your sister was abused by her father from the age of 7 until 13. You said she enjoyed it.
Trying to make sense of your various postings about your dead sister's experience I have to admit is a little confusing to me.

Of course girls of 11/12/13 have "feelings". Puberty is a wallop. Body parts come alive. That in no way means she wasn't [censored] up by the sex with her father.
Of course it's possible to come out of the dark secret of your abuse and still have a good sex life with a partner you adore and treats you with respect and love.
You never forget though.

What in the hell does that have to do with little boys being sexually abused by men of the church.



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Sex really doesn't carry all the emotional baggage we experience, for young kids.

Wrong, just wrong..
I agree with Olyve. For me it did. In fact, I will say it was magnified. Hmm I equated sex with love.


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..You chose to get your information by comparing one gay man’s positive experience to 200,000 negative ones, as though they somehow balanced, as though one can inform the other, as though they had anything at all in common....
For me, I had a mom and dad who would have 1000% supported me.

Kids in Catholic school don't have that support. I've thought a lot about this thread. My situation is unique in that I had both a mom and dad who would have had my back - all I had to do was say the word. I can't imagine what it was like for catholic school boys living with their...for a lack of a better word...partners.

I lived a normal life outside of my relationships. I would say I compartmentalized, but that isn't true, because my home life and my relationship life intertwined as the first guy would have dinner with us and spend time with my family.


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Kids in Catholic school don't have that support.

Rick, I know what you’re saying here, but I think it’s an overgeneralization. Lots of kids in Catholic schools have the same kind of supportive parents you do. They’re the lucky ones.

I’m glad your experiences were good for you.


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Stop Greger. You're just trying to stir s***.

No, I'm not. I appear to be the only one among us who believes that we are not some divine special species created in the image of GOD.

We are fecking animals, just like all the other animals. Most of us more or less have our sh*t together and are well trained. A lot don't. Roughly 30%.


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Ok Greger. You're serious
It is me that is confused.

I'm not religious and you know that so I don't know why you're referring to devine special species of god. That's ridiculous.

Why are catholic priests getting away with it?
Are you saying it's just their nature?

Honest, Greger, I'm not trying to be querulous.
I'm trying to make the connection between priests sexually abusing little boys for a whole bunch of years and getting away with it and snide remarks about flaying and stoning (guilty as charged).

I don't know why this thread turned so weird.



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Those priests got away with it for several reasons. The first is the relationship between the kid's upbringing and the exalted status of the priest. Kids report a lot of gas-lighting by priests who feed them a lot of BS about "special relationships", "God's Love", etc.. Priests are all trained to deliver this sort of crap to their followers, so doing it to kids is easy for them. Remember an average 100 IQ ten year old, is like an adult with an IQ of 67: In other words, a moron. They believe what adults tell them, and they are totally conditioned to believe any sort of nonsense a priest tells them. Their parents do!

The second reason is that their parents don't believe them if they do speak up. Their parents have the same sort of relationship with priests, and all parents (not just Catholics) are aware their kids are perfectly willing to lie to get out of trouble.

The third reason is a church hierarchy that values a priest far more than a few dozen molested kids, and believes in redemption. Their superiors have all experienced sin and forgiveness in their lives, so they forgive and accept a promise to "sin no more". Then they move the redeemed priest off to a new parish so he can molest a fresh crop of kids. And of course, in some cases the superior did the same thing himself when he was a new priest.

The fourth reason is the rule that all organizations try to hide stuff that reflects badly on the organization. This is why we need mandatory reporting, and conspiracy prosecution for anybody who fails to report any kind of sexual assault to the police.

The fifth reason is that a lot of the police and prosecutors may refuse to arrest or prosecute priests for religious and cultural reasons.

When you have all those things going against you, it's easy to just keep silent and try to forget about it.


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It’s my guess that these sorts of shenanigans in the Catholic Church are diminishing. The reason for that being is that the spotlight is totally on them unlike 30 years ago when most of the parishioners did not believe this sort of thing could be happening. Although many years ago John Callahan (bless his heart) drew a cartoon whereby a group of Catholic priests were sitting around a big cake and an altar boy popped out of the top much to their glee. devilSo it was known for quite some time that these sorts of things were happening even if, as I say, most of the parishioners did not believe so.

Callahan himself claimed to have been molested by a nun when he was eight.

Elsewhere, who knows?


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I had never heard of John Callahan.

From wiki....
" He began drinking at the age of 12. "I used the alcohol to hide the pain of the abuse," Callahan said. After the car accident that caused his spinal cord injury, he went through extensive rehabilitation. At the age of 27, he gave up drinking alcohol. He made his home in Portland, Oregon."

I guess this is one little boy that really didn't "like" the sex (abuse)..

You give me much to think about as far as your opinions.



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