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It wasn't just racism. Racism was built into the culture, a part of it but not a defining part.

It had always been that way. It was rooted in the Civil war era and before. it was a remnant of the reconstruction too. The apartheid part was written into law...separate but equal. Black people lived in "the quarters".

But mostly and most recently the culture I was born into was a remnant of the Great Depression. Hardscrabble times that left everyone bruised and battered. It also just happened to be an apartheid society.


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So if I understand you correctly, you’re pretty much talking about slavery, the remains of slavery after the war and reconstruction, and then the depression came alon* and pretty much everybody’s lives turned to sh*t. Black people just hit bottom earlier and people in that area have been economically depressed pretty much ever since.

Btw I’m not challenging you - just trying to learn.


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Originally Posted by Greger
...It was rooted in the Civil war era and before....

I was verifying and validating a lead compliance certificate at work yesterday. It was issued by the State of Rhode Island.

Rhode Island's official name? State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations

Yeah...that was 1776...you know that year that all men are created equal was a popular phrase. coffee


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I did a quick check on this; something was tugging at my memory.

Although “plantation” definitely has the meaning you refer to in the present and for some time past, its older meaning is “a colony or new settlement.” So to cut a little slack for Rhode Island, the”plantation” in Rhode Island’s name probably has a more positive meaning than you might think.


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"Providence Plantations" kind of went right along with colonization, since folks had to eat to live. Plantation means nothing more than it implies. A plantation house is just a big farmhouse owned by the billionaires of the day.

I grew up among the vast citrus plantations in Central Florida. Mostly owned by a few white families and mostly worked by those black folks who lived in the quarters.

Everything else serviced the needs of the citrus industry.

Not a great deal different from the cotton industry a century before and a little north of here...

Farther north they used child labor and had no use for slaves(or black people)

Funny world ain't it.

That's all gone with the wind. Disney is King now and my little town is a genuine melting pot where all races and creeds mingle without a care.

Except the Puerto Ricans with noisy mufflers, they can east sh*t and die twice.

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/[quote=Mellowicious]I like this thread; it’s giving me something to think about.


Finally (for now,) another contradiction (and another European-based element.) While wanting to “melting pot” their way into American (Anglo) society, immigrants have also tried to keep something of the Old Country in their lives - often through food and festivals. Some of them are largely made up (St. Patrick’s Day, Cinco de Mayo,) but in other cases, Polish festivals, Danish/Norwegian festivals, Czech festivals, Carnivals - these are found across the nation. How else would we know about lutefisk? So while we move away as fast as we can we try very hard to bring a piece of it with us.

Maybe I’d say our culture is wholly contradictory.


This thread has drifted so far off topic offtopic from compost, that I'm temped to take my fungus-ball and go home or to another thread! And, to what end? LUTEFISK!! sick

Irked and I have debated the origin on Lutefisk, and have concluded it was clearly a desperation survival startergery when some Norwegians immigrants were trapped in their cabin in Minnesota in May, under 10 feet of snow, with only a pile of dried whitefish and bucket of Drano. Their rationale for settling in Minnesota was that the soil was rich and beautiful, and the weather was just as good as Norway grin


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Originally Posted by TatumAH
...trapped in their cabin in Minnesota...:
They also settled in Poulsbo, Washington, because the area reminded them of Scandinavia.

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Looks like a real fun guy.

Bears usually are. smile


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I remember a TV series called The Immigrants, about one Norwegian family's move to Minnesota. Their farm back in Norway had a few inches of topsoil over glacial cobble and bedrock. When they got to Minnesota, the father stuck a rod down into the topsoil and it went down five feet with no rocks. Then he tried a few more places: Same result. He knew they had arrived in Heaven.

The reason I thought of this today, is that I am digging post holes to put chain link around my solar array. Some holes I dig with a water jet in about one minute. Some involve a lot of rocks and cursing. Pandemic result: Chain ink fabric has gone up 250%, and Lowes and Home Depot have zero stock. Fortunately, my good neighbor has some used rolls from a fence he replaced I can get for the hauling!


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So my mother’s family was from Sweden. They emigrated to Canada around the turn of the 20th century. They got some hardscrabble land in southern Saskatchewan around a town called Whitewood. Percival to be exact which ended up being a grain elevator. And as far as I know that little burg is now kaput.

How I ended up being born in Hawaii is a miracle beyond all comprehension.


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