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jgw #337274 10/17/21 05:57 PM
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If one looks at the 2020 election results more as a political strategist and not a partisan, one would find it was more a rejection of Trump than an endorsement or acceptance of Biden and Democratic Party ideals and their agenda. That is looking at the whole election result and not just the presidential. Trump lost by 7 plus million votes, yet down ballot, people voted Republican, not Democratic. The GOP picked up 13 house seats, 2 state legislatures and a Governorship. You had totally mixed results ballot wide. A ton of ticket splitters voting for Biden, then Republican for other offices. Hence my conclusion 2020 was a rejection of Trump, but no endorsement for either political party agenda.

You also had a six-month period, between inauguration day through July, until August where Biden and company maintained an overall approval rating of between 52-55% when Biden and the democratic congress didn’t try to do a thing. Just rode the benefit of Biden not being Trump. Now they’re trying to do things, a 10-point drop across the board on almost every issue category has occurred. Are they related, who knows? Whatever reason, it’s dissatisfaction with the party in power.

Maybe doing something will change that, maybe not. Or maybe on many issues a majority of Americans don’t agree with Biden and company. Or maybe folks have just realized Trump is gone, honeymoon over for the party in power. Not being Trump is no longer good enough. Your guess is as good as mine. I just follow the numbers, they tell me where people stand on the issues and the president, but they don’t tell me why.

Biden’s base, Democrats, their approval of Biden is at where it always has been. Around 92% give or take a point. Republicans at 8%, where it also always has been give or take a point or two. It’s independents which has dropped Biden’s approval down, they’re not happy with Biden or the Democratic controlled congress. From 55% in July, to 47% in August, to 43% in September to 37% today.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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You are a good numbers man Pero and I appreciate your efforts. And I think your assessment is pretty much spot on. I voted for Biden because I think Trump is a despicable human being and a clear and present danger to our republic. I am simply astonished he has the popularity he does amongst his base and the majority of Republicans. I suppose they are both in favor of an authoritarian dictatorship and long for one.

It’s “funny” though. I think many people are in favor of an authoritarian dictatorship as long as that dictator is their guy doing their bidding. Then it’s all fine and dandy.


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Ken Condon #337279 10/18/21 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken Condon
It’s “funny” though. I think many people are in favor of an authoritarian dictatorship as long as that dictator is their guy doing their bidding. Then it’s all fine and dandy.
I've thought that for a long time now. Not so much in dictator terms, but being able to use the power and force of government.

I'm astonish to see the huge number of Republicans following Trump. I keep asking myself are those folks interested in winning elections? Apparently not. That's not to say the GOP might win elections in spite of Trump. What I can't understand, if one really likes the ideals, the philosophy, the policies Trump had, has. Why not move on to another who has basically those same ideals and philosophy, but without the baggage of being uncouth, rude, childish even. Someone with a bit of tact and being able to at least act presidential instead of like a WWE wrestler in a pre-fight interview.

Then again, Trump never had a political ideology or philosophy of his own. The 7 time party switcher has always adopted the philosophy of the party he belonged to at the time. So go figure. Figure or make sense of it all, I can't.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I think you answered your own question. Trump has, nor has he ever had, a political philosophy of his own. It’s all transactional in his book. He will give his followers everything they want as long as they love, worship, and adore him. It doesn’t matter if any of it is beneficial to the nation as a whole, it only matters if it’s beneficial personally to Donald Trump.

The adoration and love is all he seeks. If it takes giving them what they want so be it. That’s why he could never accept his defeat by Biden and insists on calling the election stolen. The fact that the majority of United States voters rejected Trump is beyond his comprehension so in his mind it could not possibly have happened. Only problem is I think there’s a very real chance he could get reelected if his health holds out.


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Originally Posted by Ken Condon
I think you answered your own question. Trump has, nor has he ever had, a political philosophy of his own. It’s all transactional in his book.

He will give his followers everything they want as long as they love, worship, and adore him. It doesn’t matter if any of it is beneficial to the nation as a whole, it only matters if it’s beneficial personally to Donald Trump.


The adoration and love is all he seeks.

If it takes giving them what they want so be it. That’s why he could never accept his defeat by Biden and insists on calling the election stolen. The fact that the majority of United States voters rejected Trump is beyond his comprehension so in his mind it could not possibly have happened. Only problem is I think there’s a very real chance he could get reelected if his health holds out.

Ken, I agree with that completely.
I would add he also does it for money so that he can continue.
He on his own has no business sense to make money. He's always lived, "for free".



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as that dictator is their guy doing their bidding. Then it’s all fine and dandy.

You would think they would notice that Trump throws EVERYBODY under the bus, eventually. Like maybe the thousandth time he did it? That's the problem with authoritarian dictators: They get paranoid because everything has to go their way, and inevitably reality does not permit that. Then it's them against everyone else, and they start rounding up and imprisoning or murdering their former supporters. Ultimately, the only person left to kill is themselves.


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
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Yeah Ken, I never envisioned the republicans would nominate someone who's been a Democrat much longer than a republican, who donate huge sums to democrats in his recent past as their nominee in 2016. That completely caught me off guard. A 7-time party switcher who basically believed in nothing but himself, no political ideology or philosophy. He only became a Republican for the third time in 2012. He then won their nomination in 2016. Trump never had much of a history as a Republican.

What you both say is true, but Trump is still a political enigma to me. Which brings me to 2024. The Democrats would really have to blow it for Trump to win. They would have to make independents so angry at them that they would forget their dislike of Trump and vote for him out of anger at the democrats.

Making independents angry at you is a sure way to lose elections. Bill Clinton and the Democrats did that in 1994, Bill lost 54 house seats and 9 senate seats. Obama did it in 2010 losing 63 house seats and 6 senate seats. But the anger was policy related passing things independents didn't want passed. Both recovered nicely to win reelection. But both were well liked as a person, Trump wasn't and isn't. It isn't his policies that independents were against, they were fairly evenly split on those. It was Trump the man. They disliked him as a person. Hence Trump failed to recover after 2018 when independents spanked him with a 44 seat loss in the House and followed that up voting for Biden 54-41.

Then there's always the possibility of the Democrats nominating another Hillary Clinton, a candidate independents disliked more than Trump back in 2016. They didn't like her as a person either.

With independents, strange things can happen. They can vote for Obama 52-44 over McCain and then 2 years later vote 56-37 for republican congressional candidates. That's a 27 point swing, from plus 8 to a minus 19 for the democrats in just 2 years.Then reelect Obama.

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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The problem is that only consists of his cabinet members. It does not consist of the public in general. So for Trumps fans he can throw everybody and anybody under the bus as long as he promises to keep their desires on the stage. His promotional desires that is.

He is absolutely without a doubt the most brilliant politician ever….at least in my lifetime.


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Although I do not get his suggestion that Republicans should not vote if Biden’s election is not proven to be fraudulent. What’s with that?


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Originally Posted by Ken Condon
Although I do not get his suggestion that Republicans should not vote if Biden’s election is not proven to be fraudulent. What’s with that?
Trump logic and a good suggestion if you ask me. smile


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